indigo io ... static

Jan 10, 2006 at 5:57 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 19

MaloS

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just got myself an ech indigio io, to upgrade from laptop onboard...
its great but there is audiable static in the background, it is impossible to hear on metal/rock tracks, but with classical, jazz, trance it is annoying. (and things like pink floyd also). I used to use an av710 and a similar static was also present, but quieter, any suggestion how to fix it/ what to blame it on?

setup:

foobar2000(24bit 96khz) => echo indigo io => porta corda amp => hd595.

i do not use kernel streaming, not sure if i am ready for it yet.
the only weak part of the setup I see is the cable that connects indigo io to the headphone amp (and i do not want to skip it, indigo onboard amp is not producing enough power alone, and does not have crossfeed).

is the cable most likely the weak factor or are there any better suggestions? and if the cable is the weak spot, what should I use instead (under $20)
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 7:50 AM Post #2 of 19
ech...abit crazier. first tried resampling to 96 khz, and that cause severe static, everything up to 64 works fine, after that its static, distortion, all kinds of hell.
(using foobar resamplers...)

then back at 44.1, I tried kernel streaming, and receive no sound at all, got an error when trying to play files. what am I mising?



thanks for help...
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 10:46 AM Post #3 of 19
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaloS
ech...abit crazier. first tried resampling to 96 khz, and that cause severe static, everything up to 64 works fine, after that its static, distortion, all kinds of hell.
(using foobar resamplers...)

then back at 44.1, I tried kernel streaming, and receive no sound at all, got an error when trying to play files. what am I mising?



If it changes with resampling, then it's probably not static but some resampling-inducted noise IMO. So why to resample? Anyway why don't you use ASIO which works seamlessly with indigo?

What error do you get exactly?
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 11:15 AM Post #4 of 19
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaloS
just got myself an ech indigio io, to upgrade from laptop onboard...
its great but there is audiable static in the background, it is impossible to hear on metal/rock tracks, but with classical, jazz, trance it is annoying. (and things like pink floyd also). I used to use an av710 and a similar static was also present, but quieter, any suggestion how to fix it/ what to blame it on?

setup:

foobar2000(24bit 96khz) => echo indigo io => porta corda amp => hd595.

i do not use kernel streaming, not sure if i am ready for it yet.
the only weak part of the setup I see is the cable that connects indigo io to the headphone amp (and i do not want to skip it, indigo onboard amp is not producing enough power alone, and does not have crossfeed).

is the cable most likely the weak factor or are there any better suggestions? and if the cable is the weak spot, what should I use instead (under $20)

...

ech...abit crazier. first tried resampling to 96 khz, and that cause severe static, everything up to 64 works fine, after that its static, distortion, all kinds of hell.
(using foobar resamplers...)

then back at 44.1, I tried kernel streaming, and receive no sound at all, got an error when trying to play files. what am I mising?

thanks for help...



Did you alredy try, if you get same ststic/noise with other player(s) --> player setting or hw issue?

jiitee
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 5:56 PM Post #5 of 19
after some experiments i figured out that the static was result of the external amp and with proper volume settings goes away. no clue why it completely denies me 96khz sample rate but oh well, guess that is unimportant.
when i installed asio driver, i cannot find a way to get foobar2000 to get to work through it(i checked everything playback and components have to say), some help please? :-/
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 5:58 PM Post #6 of 19
oh ya i did try using alternative players, the echo is just not liking that sample rate.
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 6:25 PM Post #7 of 19
The indigo works very well with 24/96 content on my laptop. I am using Jriver Media Center with ASIO whuich works right out of the box but foobar with the asio plugin from

http://www.aikis.or.jp/~otachan/foo_...asio(exe).html

works as well. You will need a special unpack program for example

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Compres...ls/7-Zip.shtml

to get to the content of the archive

and the asiocaps utility from the same author as the asio plugin.

http://www.aikis.or.jp/~otachan/ASIO%20caps.html

Pick one (!) of the foobar output DLLs and copy it into the appropriate foobar directory. At that point you should be able to select it with foobar settings.

Then start the asiocaps utility to increase the buffer size for the Indigo card. This setting is persistent so you only need to do it once.

After these adjustments you should be fine to play 24/96 content on the Indigo.

Cheers

Thomas
 
Jan 10, 2006 at 8:47 PM Post #8 of 19
following these steps i am not getting anything to work.
card does not seem to support asio (?!) according to asio caps,
and the asio dll component for foobar does not seem to find the card. (so i cannot select an output).
any possibility of me having to use different drivers?

edit:
got asio to work from foobar, now for 96 khz...

edit:
24bit/96khz is still producing incredible amounts of distortion, any clues?
 
Jan 11, 2006 at 7:17 AM Post #9 of 19
I am glad you go this to work, so now let's look at the 24/96 problem.

What are you exactly doing to get to 24/96 ouput?

Headphone plugged in directly to the Indigo?

Upsampler in foobar?
What other DSP plugins active?


Cheers

Thomas
 
Jan 11, 2006 at 6:54 PM Post #10 of 19
no other plug ins active besides default in foobar2000, i tried using both of the resampler plug-ins in foobar, and i tried to have the card itself to the resampling, both of these yielded the same horrible result.

the headphone goes directly into indigo, after some experiments i figured out that the porta corda does not change anything (besides crossfeed really, which i can always enable in foobar)
 
Jan 11, 2006 at 10:41 PM Post #11 of 19
Stupid question, probably: why use that sample rate? 99.99% of my music is at 16bit/44.1 khz. You don't gain anything by adding bit-depth/sample-rate to files that don't have that much data in the first place. Also, is the Echo Indigo's sample rate in sync with that (you can set this in the mixer)?
 
Jan 12, 2006 at 6:52 AM Post #12 of 19
echo indigo supports everything 32-96. i just really checked what using 96khz would do, and getting that the volume increase is the most i can expect out of it, so ya...forget that.
thanks for valuable help with asio everyone :-P.
(i love this thing, if i could just get me hd650 to go with it now...)
 
Aug 25, 2006 at 3:22 AM Post #14 of 19
I'm receiving the same problem as MaloS with The Indigo IO.

I guess I shouldn't gotten it second hand.



Foobar2k 0.9.3.1 and Foobar 0.8.3 including Winamp 5.24 yield similar results with ASIO output.

Resampling a no, no?
 

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