How does the Lindemann DAC 24/192 hold up nowadays vs newer DACs (ifi nano Black)?

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Well, maybe someone can shed some light on this. I know, the Lindemann DAC is rare and not well known but i hope some comments will help me to make my decision (keep or sell the Lindemann). The Lindemann is a standalone DAC so an amp is needed. Therefore the Fiio Q1 Mark II could be a nice starter, especially that i am moving to IEMs in the near future. Or would you just say, sell that old hardware from 2012 and go for an ifi micro Black as it probably might be the more audiophile DAC+Amp solution....
My initial intention was to combine the Lindemann with the Lehmann Rhinelander amp. That would make a great looking - and nice performing - small audio rack.

This should be also considered: I would mainly use the ifi nano Black in "desktop mode", not on the go. So the idea was to just let it be powered all the time by the PC-USB-cable. I could imagine that the audio quality could suffer a bit during charge time. So how would u estimate the battery time when using an IEM (up to 30 Ohm) at normal volume (like up to 80-90 dB) compared to using a full size headphone (64 Ohm, 300 Ohm HD650)?

My goal is to get audio which is detailed, resolving, dynamic while still being on the muscial side (not cold, analytical). I know the Lindemann is considered to sound musical and analog but at the same time it could lack a bit of detail/resolution.... (due to older Wolfson DAC compared to the new ESS/BurrBrown)...

But it would be a shame to sell the Lindemann only to find out later it plays one or more leageas above the ifi nano Black...

// maybe stupid as more sheer speculation then facts/impressions, but anyways....

For better guessing how the Lindemann DAC performs maybe a comparison with the Questyle Q192 would be suitable. For DAC chipset the Lindemann features the Wolfson WM8742 and the Questyle the WM8740. Both share the same digital interface controller: Wolfson WM8805.
Both have jitter reduction down to 50 ps.

I know there is more that makes the sound of a DAC like chip implementation, power delivery, filtering and so on but maybe they share a similar tonality to better guess where the Lindemann DAC belongs (compared to the ifi nano Black)...

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Hope someone here has heard the Lindemann and could make a statement vs the tonality of the ifi nano Black; much appreciated.

Here is my initial post i made in another thead (ifi nano bl impressions). I am reposting it here to get more opinions on this matter.

Hello,

I am heavily considering to convert my audio gear towards IEM usage. Currently i am using the Lindemann DAC 24/192 as DAC. The ifi nano BL would be a nice all-in-one unit do drive IEMs but i have a feeling its DAC unit could be a downgrade. The Lindemann goes back to 2012 but reviews praised it for its neutrality and even more so analog tonality. Then is sports some sophisticated and very well done implementation of USB, S/PDIF and Toslink. Really hard to find a fault in this DAC. So when this DAC is being directly compared to a April Music Eximus DP-1 i wonder how it holds up today, especially vs the ifi nano Black. As far as i have read the main downside of the nano would be its recessed mids or soft mids as someone else has put it. If i understand it correctly, recessesed means less pronounced/present mids than neutral and soft that mids lack a bit of clarity and are too rounded....or maybe the guy who stated that the mids are "soft" had a different wording for "recessed" but meant the same....not sure, though....

Both units have some nice technicalities. The Lindemann offers apperently very low jitter ("features an additional, active jitter reduction circuit based on a digital PLL and memory buffering of the digital stream. The remaining jitter of the signal (not only of the clock!) is below 50ps.") whereas the nano BL benefits from iPurifier and iEMatch beside some basic low jitter functionality. The question would be from what feature an IEM user would benefit most, especially when using some sensitive IEMs like the Campfire Audio Andromedas. iEMatch is great, it practically eliminates hiss and the difference should be drastic with some IEMs, but when my IEM isnt that dependable on iEMatch would one be able to hear the difference between a DAC which has a great low jitter solution and one that has a decent/standard one?

Next point is the analog output: people stated its great on the nano. Lindemann seems to go even further by lowering the standard voltage of 2V to 1.4V. ("This may have been done to minimize noise. I found the lower output absolutely appealing, and it appeared to allow for more dynamic range on many recordings. [...] The output stage is very sophisticated and avoids filtering by coupling to ground."). This feature could come in handy for IEM usage and maybe balance out the missing iPurifier in the Lindemann DAC...

Well, i am debating wether it would be just better to keep the Lindemann and use a Fiio Q1 Mark II as amp (has nice bass boost if needed). Chances are the ifi nano BL amplification is better though....(but i could easily swap the amp later on)

And then there is the fact that i would be using the nano mainly a a desktop unit. I am not sure but someone mentioned somewhere that the audio quality would take a hit when using the micro BL / nano BL while charging it at the same time....

But my main concern is about the DAC qualities of the nano compared to the Lindemann.

Maybe i asked my question myself already by stating that the Lindemann has no noticable sonic departure from neutrality like recessed mids but i would apprechiate your opinion.

Oh, almost forgot. Someone mentioned when reviewing the nano BL that the bass seemed kind of boosted (more than neutral) as if the nano BL came with the bass boost switch enabled from the get go)....or would you say, bollocks, bass is not that much pronouced. Well, i would need an slightly bass heavy amplifier anyway for my likes, so nothing i would complain about...

About the tonality, reviewers state that the Lindemann has a more analog then digital tone while still being quite detailed ("top-end is nicely extended, but not at all etched or bright.)

Would you say, the nano tends to sound more digital than analog? Like has the potential to be more resolving/detailed due to a newer DAC (vs old Wolfson WM8742) and therefore lack the tendency to sound analog (meaning, more digitally cold)...I have the feeling, the nano could be more dynamic sounding (snappy) and more detailed in the highs compared to the Lindemann DAC (well, the Lindemann uses an appodizing filter and there seems to be a slight dip in the upper mids/lower highs, not much, so still kind of leaning to the neutral side....)

 

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Well, seems like nobody is able to make a statement regarding the capabilities of the Lindemann DAC compared to the ifi nano Black DAC sound. So how well would you rate the DAC section of the ifi nano Black vs the REGA Dac (the old one without the remote)??? Curious as i might switch from the Lindemann to the Rega Dac...