Finding The Cure

Aug 11, 2003 at 5:54 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 40

stuartr

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I just was led to The Cure by plainsong's post in the virtual cd thread along with an inclusion on a friend's mix cd. How could I have missed them? I of course know some of their more popular songs from being alive during the 80s, but I was too young to really be a fan (I am 25 now). I went and bought Disintegration and it is phenomenal. It does not sound dated at all, and in fact it obviously was a huge influence for tons of other contemporary stuff. I am always happy to find great bands, and to find one that is so generally well-known surprised me. Where the hell was I? Anyway do people have any other favorite cds by them? What do you like? I am also on an 80s kick, so any recommendations for the Smiths?
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 10:32 AM Post #2 of 40
I'm really passionate about this band...Here's a description of their proper albums in order of release:

Three Imaginary Boys is interesting. Probably a bad album to get in the beginning, but it can be difficult to find, so it's up to you if you want it or not. Weird pop songs, but you can hear the seeds of greatness to come in some of those musings.

Boys Don't Cry is pretty much the same as 3IB, except for a couple of different songs.

Seventeen Seconds is a good album. It's also a really old album, in a bad way. If old sounding music doesn't bother you, then pick this one up. It has some classics on it that I truly love.

Faith is another really fantastic old one, and the title track is my favourite song ever recorded, and has been that way since high school. It should be noted that Faith is a very bleak album...very depressed.

Pornography is extremely hopeless and self-violent. It can be difficult to listen to, or it can become all you'll listen to! This one nearly destroyed the band, and in fact they did split up temporarily after this tour. One of the greatest albums ever recorded by anyone, imo.

Japanese Whispers is an oddball. There's some really cheesy sounding pop songs on here, but still charming all the same. YMMV.

The Top is probably the most difficult album on this list for me. There's some kickass songs on here, and some very strange ones. Definitely an acquired taste, but once you acquire it, it'll be a favourite, I think.

The Head on the Door is a good one to start with, and has some fantastic pop songs and a few melancholy ones just to balance everything out.

Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me is beautiful...The Kiss is one of the best songs ever, as well as How Beautiful You Are...quite a variety of styles on this one, but every song is great!

Disintegration is definitely my favourite by them, but when I don't have it handy...let's just say I have to satisfy myself with Pornography! You already know this is awesome, so I'll move on to...

Wish is a really good album, too, and is the one that features Friday I'm In Love. Apart from that one track, the rest of the album shifts between manic and depressive far more successfully than its followup...

Wild Mood Swings. Probably my least favourite Cure album. It has some good songs, and some interesting ideas. This was probably a band's nervous reaction to having to followup an album that was as popular as Wish.

Bloodflowers is the most recent proper release. This was written at a time when Robert Smith was starting to feel that the magic of being in The Cure was fading for him, and he was feeling old. The lyrics on this one aren't always very strong, but the music is. A lot of the album has a very final sound to it, since this was supposed to be their farewell album. But the tour that followed was so fantastic for them that they decided to stick around anyways!

If I had to choose which albums you should get next after Disintegration, I'd probably choose Wish, The Head on the Door, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, and/or Bloodflowers.

They also have some singles collections, a few live releases which are decent, as well as a remix album which is not.

If I had to choose a live release of theirs, it would be Trilogy, which has just recently been released on DVD. During this show, which was filmed in 2002 in Berlin, they played Pornography, Disintegration, and Bloodflowers entirely as they appear on their respective albums. It's fantastic!

I should mention that apparently all of The Cure's albums are going to be remastered next year, and re-released with an accompanying cd of out-takes and stuff. It may be worth your time to wait for each of the re-releases, as some of the production on their albums can be pretty terrible. Also due out soon is a rumoured box set of all their b-sides, which are all amazing, as well!

Congratulations...you are about to discover the fantastic and beautiful world of The Cure.
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Hope this helps you some...

edit: woops, tired
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 10:58 AM Post #3 of 40
There`s an input from a real fan. Way to go, dabblerblue!

"Disintegration" was my first (so far the only) Cure album, too. I also have some 36 songs unofficial best of collection with couple of interesting remixes and soundtrack works. One of my all time favorite songs are "The Love Cats" (covered by Tricky on his latest album, one of the rare decent songs from "Vulnerable", IMO), "The Forest" and "Killing an Arab". I took a couple of listens of "Blodflowers" and loved it too.

The Cure are one of those really huge bands which are difficult to decide how to begin with had you discovered them nowdays.
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 12:06 PM Post #5 of 40
Good summary by DB.

Well if you like "disintegration" because of its slow somber gloomy dirge like qualities you need to complete the Cure gloom trilogy:
-faith
-pornagraphy
-disintegration
All three of these are cut from same cloth, and sound much different in style/theme from other Cure albums. (some would include "bloodflowers" in this group, but I think it is a weak effort by group definitley past its prime) Pornagraphy 1982 especially was too advanced for its time, went right over the heads of most critics/fans withs its relentless dark/bleak nature. Today with well esteablished doom rock/metal genre these are considered pioneering works........."disintegration" is the best and culmination of gloom trilogy, also probably last great album by Cure.......all downhill from here quality wise for me.

Early new wave style Cure nicely summed up with two albums:
-boys don't cry
-seventeen seconds
Fun stuff to revisit, very popular in cubs/radio during early 1980's,
can sound fluffy/dated by todays standards but still very enjoyable......brings back many memories. Seventeen Seconds is a transition album leading up to "faith" and you can tell Cure has other things up its sleeve besides standard new wave fare.

Agree with DB that:
-top
-japansese whispers
are uneven affairs whith some odd/corny stuff (love cats, cattapillar, walk etc) that none the less are fun but maynot be worth buying entire album for........may be best obtained on greatest hits collection:
-staring at the sea (17 tracks)

Best standard pop/rock albums by the Cure are:
-head on the door (very solid every track)
-kiss me,kiss me (has a few challenging tracks)
I always thought it was kinda of funny seeing Cure videos with Robert Smith all in black etc doing some of these poppy/happy songs.

Post "disintegration 1989" Cure suffered downhill slide in ceative output and there is no single album worth buying IMO, to pick up the best racks from remaining later albums get:
-galore (18 tracks 1987-present)
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 1:22 PM Post #6 of 40
Thanks for the recommendations guys. I am overwhelmed! I am definitely a fan of melancholy music (see avatar), so I may pick up Pornography or Faith soon. I may also try a few MP3's to see which one I feel like first. Are any of their vinyls still in production? If not, I would imagine they are sought after...anyone know?
Thanks,
Stu
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 1:38 PM Post #7 of 40
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Originally posted by dabblerblue
I'm really passionate about this band...Here's a description of their proper albums in order of release:


Pornography is extremely hopeless and self-violent. It can be difficult to listen to, or it can become all you'll listen to! This one nearly destroyed the band, and in fact they did split up temporarily after this tour. One of the greatest albums ever recorded by anyone, imo.

Disintegration is definitely my favourite by them, but when I don't have it handy...let's just say I have to satisfy myself with Pornography! You already know this is awesome, so I'll move on to...

Congratulations...you are about to discover the fantastic and beautiful world of The Cure.
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Hope this helps you some...


excellent post! I can't disagree with anything that was said, except to say, yea, PORNOGRAPHY is one of the best albums ever..

-jar
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 4:10 PM Post #8 of 40
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Originally posted by Masonjar
excellent post! I can't disagree with anything that was said, except to say, yea, PORNOGRAPHY is one of the best albums ever..

-jar


I agree absolutely. I get the chills listening to it.
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 4:16 PM Post #9 of 40
I have to mention that I have a minor quibble with just buying singles collections for certain albums, as I often feel the singles were for the most part the weakest songs on the album.

I do understand that a lot of people feel the cure have gone downhill since 1989, and it may be that I'm a big pathetic fanboy, but it would be a shame for anyone into the band to miss out on songs like:

'just one kiss', 'the upstairs room', and 'lament' from japanese whispers,

'shake dog shake' and 'the top' from the top,

'open', 'from the edge of the deep green sea', 'doing the unstuck', and 'end' from wish,

'want' from wild mood swings,

or 'the last day of summer', '39', or 'bloodflowers' from bloodflowers.

It's probably too much to ask for anyone to run out and buy all of these (especially when they're about to be re-released with better sound quality within the next year), so you could probably
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the tunes or whatever til you decide whether or not it's worth it for you.

The Cure did lose a certain amount of darkness to their music, but I feel they still maintained their melancholy magic in a lot of ways. They did go from overtly depressed and doomed to quite sentimental and regretful, but it's still something I enjoy in the same way and something I can identify with more as I get older.

To each their own, however. If we all liked the same thing, there wouldn't be those weird little bands out there that made us feel exclusive and special
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Aug 11, 2003 at 5:18 PM Post #10 of 40
Hey Blue,

Three Imaginary Boys -> Boys Don't Cry
I always assumed all the tracks from TIB were contained on BDC, but upon closer inspection seems just the better tracks were used along with some new singles.........I wonder if any of the omitted tracks are of any value.
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In other words is there any "real" value in having TIB if you already have BDC?
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 5:32 PM Post #11 of 40
Another great introduction to pre-Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me Cure is their video The Cure In Orange. It was shot in 1987 in a gorgeous Ampitheatre - the Theatre Antique D'Orange, Orange, Provence Cote D'azur, France. It was a fantastic performance, made even better by an awesome set-list and tastefully shot by Tim Pope. It might be hard to track down, but well worth it!

The performed the following tracks:

Shake Dog Shake
Piggy In The Mirror
Play For Today
A Strange Day
Primary
Kyoto Song
Charlotte Sometimes
In Between Days
The Walk
A Night Like This
Push
One Hundred Years
A Forest
Sinking
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Six Different Ways
Three Imaginary Boys
Boys Don't Cry
Faith
Give Me It
10.15 Saturday Night
Killing An Arab
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 6:10 PM Post #12 of 40
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Originally posted by DarkAngel
In other words is there any "real" value in having TIB if you already have BDC?


Well there's always 'meathook'!!

Three Imaginary Boys is just one of those albums I own out of interest. It has some neat stuff on it, but it's mostly silliness. There's a hidden track at the end called 'The Weedy Burton' which is just...weird.

Boys Don't Cry was mainly a compilation release, which collected the title track as it had been released after 3IB.

Really, the only time I ever listen to either of those two cds is when I'm in the mood to do a Cure marathon, and listen to each album in order of release.

YMMV, it's interesting, and more of an insight into the developement of The Cure, much like Back & Forth (2) was for Skinny Puppy. I like that sort of thing, but not everybody does.
 
Aug 11, 2003 at 9:22 PM Post #13 of 40
uh uh... a whole thread just about The Cure! can't contain myself (just look at my avatar!)...

The Cure is one of those artists that can be dizzying to start a collection of for a newcomer. They have a seemingly endless catalog, one can be confused about where to start, as I was back in 1990.

if you like the dense atmoshperics of "Disintegration," I would suggest "Faith" (1981) as a next purchase. I feel "Pornagraphy" is much more aggresive to be the next purchase. That said, "Faith" is an absolutely beautiful and ethereal album. it actually sounds like a pre-requisite to "Disintegration." Nothing The Cure has recorded can match the majestic beauty of "Plainsong," but "All Cats are Grey" from "Faith" comes close. So does "The Funeral Party" and the title track, which Robert Smith maintains as the best song he has written. If you love "Plainsong, "Last Dance," "Prayers For Rain," and "The Same Deep Water As You" from "Disintegration," you'll love "Faith."

After "Faith" comes "Pornagraphy," (1982) which is a much more aggresive and decidedly darker album. Where "Faith" was introspective, "Pornagraphy" was pure anger. Just take a look at the first line of lyrics on the album opener "One Hundred Years": "It doesn't matter if we all die..." Heavy ****! An album reviewer at the time said something like "... in comparison, Ian Curtis (of Joy Division) was a bundle of laughs!" The intensity of this album is further enhanced by some of the most intriguing drum patterns I've ever heard, very tribal and aggresive, just check out "The Hanging Garden" and "The Figurehead." The middle of the album has an amazing string of songs, from "Siamese Twins," "The Figurehead," "A Strange Day, which should've been the second single, and "Cold," which features the most Goth song opener ever, that haunting cello line (or it could be keyboards, i dunno). The album ends with the title track, which features the most creepy sample I've ever heard put into a piece of music. It's really just a recording of a BBC DJ signing off a show, but still... As dabblerblue said, the tour of this album nearly destroyed the band, escalating with Robert Smith and bassist Simon Gallup being involved in a fist fight at a bar. They didn't speak to each other for the next two years until Simon came back on "The Head on the Door." Oh, I sould add that The Cure's ever changing lineup reads like an excellent daytime soap opera. To get the jist of the early years, I highly suggest getting the book "Ten Imaginary Years," which unfortunately cuts off at 1987, where Robert (or the whole band for that matter) had "troubles" with founding member Lol Tolhurst.

In spite of what DarkAngel said...
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The Cure recorded two good albums after "Disintegration." The first, "Bloodflowers," (2000) fits very well with the albums above. "Out of This World" is just as impressive as "Plainsong" as an album opener. The angry "Watching Me Fall" (the longest track with lyrics The Cure has recorded, "Carnage Visors" doesn't count) and the amazing title track with its tribal drumming fits well with many of the "Pornagraphy" tracks. "The Last Day of Summer" is one of the most beautiful and melancholy tunes the band has recorded. The rest of the album follows in similar vein as "Disintegration." One thing to note is that the Japanese release of "Bloodflowers" has an extra track, the excellent rocker "Coming Up."

The other is "Wish," (1992) which isn't at all a pop album every magazine reviewer make it to be. There is a lot of heady stuff contained in this album, with the anti-social F.A. of "Open," the love-gone-wrong (a recurring Cure topic) of "From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea," the angry "Cut" and "End." The only obvious pop songs on the album are "High" and "Friday I'm in Love," and maybe "Doing the Unstuck." "a Letter to Elise" is more melancholy than pop.

Last I would recommend is "Seventeen Seconds." (1981) It's filled with stark, minimalist post-punk songs. This is where The Cure ditched their quirky-pop beginnings and made something unique. Songs like the dirge-like "At Night," the death-march of the title track, and the classic single of paranoia "A Forest" are basically the seed of what The Cure will become. Other tracks like the beautiful "Secrets," "In Your House," and "Play For Today" offer glimpses of what they left behind from the first album.

The rest of their catalog are pretty much fair game. "The Head on the Door," (1985) "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me," (1987) and to a lesser extent, "Wild Mood Swings" (1996, which still has some brilliant moments like "Want," "Trap," and "Bare") offer solid rock/pop albums. "Push" and Sinking" from "The Head on the Door," and "How Beautiful You Are," "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep," and "Just Like Heaven" from "KMX3" are amazing songs.

"Japanese Whispers" (1983, which isn't really a proper album but a collection of singles and b-sides at the time) and "The Top" (1984) offer some uneven, odd, and quirky songs. The former is mostly playful while the latter is mainly self-indulgence (basically a Robert Smith solo album with Lol Tolhurst helping along with some other tracks). "The Upstairs Room" and "Lament" are my faves from the former, and the latter doesn't really have a weak song besides "Bananafishbones." "Piggy In The Mirror" should've been the second single off "The Top."

"Three Imaginay Boys" or "Boys Don't Cry" are The Cure's quirky, minimalist pop beginnings. It reminds me of a bit like The Jam, which isn't too surprising since both bands were discovered by the same person, Chris Parry (who also helped sign Siouxsie and the Banshees to Polydor). Highlights are the title tracks, "Fire in Cairo," and "Another Day."

Much of The Cure's b-sides are even better that their a-sides, and I can't wait till those remastered discs come out. I've read that they will be releasing three albums at a time over an 18 month period, starting in February 2004.

The Cure has four live albums, with "Entreat" being the best one. It features eight "Disintegration" tracks recorded live at Wembly Arena in 1989, and the recording and performances are great. I love the live version of "Disintegration," the pace is a bit faster, the band plays tight and with so much feeling, and Robert sings just as good if not better than the album version. Another amazing performance is "Prayers for Rain," where he holds a note for a really long time! Unfortunately "Entreat" is long out of print. "Paris" offers some Cure classics played live in 1992. "Show" is good for some live versions of "Wish" songs and other classic Cure singles. Forget "Concert - The Cure Live."

"Staring at the Sea" is only essential because of the classic single "Charlotte Sometimes." The rest is pretty much useless if one has all the albums. Unfortunately, "Charlotte Sometimes" was recorded/mastered so poorly it sounds like ****! "Galore" became useless after "Greatest Hits" came out, which covers the only two songs not offered on any album, "Never Enough" and "Wrong Number." Actually, if you could find it, the initial copies of "Greatest Hits" has a bonus disc called "Acoustic Hits," in which the band plays excellent acoustic versions of all the "Greatest Hits" tracks.

whoa... i'm tired, i absolutely love The Cure!
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After you're done collecting The Cure, may I suggest to collect Joy Division and New Order. I feel it is the only band that comes closest to The Cure in style and genre. All one ever needs from Joy Division is the "Heart and Soul" box set, which neatly covers the whole band's catalog. I would have a bit of reservation to recommend New Order's "Retro" box set, but it's a great start nevertheless. A better start to New Order would be the double disc "Substance."

Unlike what a lot of people will have you believe that much of the 80's music were full of fads, there's a whole world of great music out there. There's Depeche Mode, Echo and the Bunnymen, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Bauhaus, The Smiths, Pet Shop Boys, etc. etc...

OK, I'm gonna stop!
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Aug 11, 2003 at 9:39 PM Post #14 of 40
I’ll never forget when disintegration came out in the spring of ’89. ALL my friends were into that album and I HATED the Cure.

Perhaps for nostalgic reasons, I bought disintegration a couple of years ago and I love it. It definitely brings back good memories of 1989. I also bought the smiths’ the queen is dead (1986) for the same reasons. I love that one, too.

About the sound quality of disintegration: I’m pretty stunned over how good it sounds. It’s probably the best-sounding 1980s disc I own. And that’s saying a lot. The liner notes say that the album was meant to be played loud . . .
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Aug 11, 2003 at 11:45 PM Post #15 of 40
Wow, lots of great comments. I may not agree with everything said here, but it's a great summary of all things Cure.

As a side note, I was a longtime Cure fan when Standing On A Beach, the cassette collection, was released. When the CD version, Staring At The Sea, was released, I was disappointed that although it contained 4 extra "singles," it was missing the entire collection of B-sides. I'd love to have those B-sides, as some of them were great.
 

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