Decisions, decisions! (RKV & Headmaster)

Jul 18, 2002 at 3:00 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 28

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I've been noticing a lot of talk about the AudioValve RKV and the Sugden Headmaster. I've done quite a few searches, and haven't really found any direct comparisons between the two amps. I know it's not necessarily fair to compare them as some people prefer the tube sound over the solid state sound, and vice versa. I guess what I'm looking for is thoughts, comments, and opinions on the two amps. ( to help me decide of course
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If the two amps, the RKV and the Headmaster were the same price, which one would you choose and why? What are the advantages that each amp holds over the other?

Also, has anyone listened to both, and if so, which did you prefer?

I know this is quite a hefty post, but I'm quite curious and quite seriously looking at both of these amps.
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 3:51 AM Post #2 of 28
Good question man.
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I've been trying to decide between these two amps although I do have the MoH in the mix along with the Zotl and melos.
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I couldn't really find much comparative info either, so I too would appreciate replies. Dark Shadow, once we get in this price range, usually all the amps are pretty quality equipment.

It really runs down to preference.
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 3:58 AM Post #3 of 28
I owned an RKV for many moons before finally giving it up. Following that I purchased a Headmaster, and have been happy ever since.

The RKV definitely has some unique features going for it that would've allowed me to pick it out of a crowd of amps blindfolded. I think the most impressive thing about it is the bass. Its bass authority is simply awesome. Yes that means that its bass is more bumped up then the typical amp. But it doesn't mean that the bass is hip hop butt banging ghetto blaster style. It's a bass that has serious heavy weight and impact to it. No other amp to date I've heard has been able to achieve that same degree of authority, although I haven't heard that many high end amps.

The other feature is an enormous soundstage. Jump from just about any amp below the RKV's pricepoint to the RKV, and there's just no mistaking that you definitely get something back for what you paid. The soundstage width is just huge, and very noticeable.

It definitely keeps the distinctive tube flavor in the midrange and treble. There's no mistaking that you are definitely listening to a tube amp when listening to the RKV. Midrange has a certain lushness to it, and treble is, while very well extended, also silky smooth.

The only fault that kept me from keeping mine was background hiss. Otherwise I enjoyed the RKV in every other way, and really couldn't fault it for anything. But because of that hiss, it brought me to my next amp...the Sugden Headmaster.

The Headmaster has a very solid state-like sound to it...no mistaking here, blindfolded, that you are listening to a solid state amp. It has a flat, neutral sound. There really is no sound characteristic to describe the Headmaster. It's not bright, it's not warm, it's not bassy, it's not smooth or rough. Just flat. What your source gives in, the Headmaster puts right back out. Because of this it has a very clean, open sound to it that could be considered boring to some, if one likes to normally use amps as a form of equalization. The Headmaster just simply slips into your system and disappears.

This clean, flat sound allows the Headmaster to be probably the most transparent amp I've heard to date. Every little detail and nuance of a recording will be passed along from the source, given your source is capable of excellent detail extraction. It also allows for a drop dead quiet backdrop for gorgeous extensions. The bass goes deep as the recording allows, and likewise with the treble. How much of those extensions you hear thereafter is affected by your source, and choice of dynamic headphones. The midrange of this amp is very flat and even...and if there's anything one might worry about, it's this region. Voices come through starkly naked, but lacking any sort of emotional warmth. Such is the trait of neutral-like equipment unfortunately.

As for comparisons, both the RKV and Headmaster have excellent extension, and do go above and beyond lower priced amps in this area. However the RKV does suffer at dynamic impact in comparison to the Headmaster. Cymbals lack a certain brashness, drums sound slightly softened, violins and cellos lack a certain sharpness. The Headmaster's bass does extend deeper then the RKV's bass, although it sounds leaner in comparison to the RKV's bass, which has that amazing authoritive impact. i.e. the Headmaster lacks that challenging weight in the bass.

The Headmaster's soundstage is not as remarkably wide as the RKV's. However within the Headmaster's soundstage, it does have a better airiness around instruments.

Midrange is a toss up. Sometimes it's nice to have that warmth to a voice, but sometimes it's also nice to just to hear the stark nakedness of a voice. Similarily this applies to wooden bodied instruments as well. I don't believe these two items can possibly play nice with each other, so pick your poison here.

Transparency belongs to the Headmaster...heck it's what the Headmaster is all about. The Headmaster allows one to hear very deep into a recording, depths one may have never heard...again provided that the source and headphone is up to snuff.

In a blindfolded test I could definitely pick out the RKV. It has some very obvious traits that are pratically exclusive to it. On the other hand if you never told me we were testing headphone amps, I would probably never know the Headmaster even existed in a signal chain. And I think this is why I ultimately like the Sugden Headmaster. Drop one in, and it quietly goes about its job of amplifying your headphones while minimally messing around with the sound signal.

As a disclaimer, it goes without saying that if you're playing around with amps of this level, that the rest of your equipment should be up to snuff, particularly with the Headmaster.

I hope that helps a bit.
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Jul 18, 2002 at 9:07 AM Post #6 of 28
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The Headmaster's bass does extend deeper then the RKV's bass, although it sounds leaner in comparison to the RKV's bass


Wow, and here I was contemplating purchasing an RKV from Dr. Meier on the researched assumption it'd deliver on the bottom end at least as well my beloved ex, the Earmax Pro. This was one of the areas that amp bettered the Headmaster in a not so subtle way (depth and slam).
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 9:09 AM Post #7 of 28
Totally agree with you, Vertigo, about your comparison. I’d can to tell the same about EAR HP-4 and Sugden comparison, but no hiss in the EAR. Did you compared the amps using the R-10?
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 10:39 AM Post #8 of 28
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Originally posted by SumB
Wow, and here I was contemplating purchasing an RKV from Dr. Meier on the researched assumption it'd deliver on the bottom end at least as well my beloved ex, the Earmax Pro. This was one of the areas that amp bettered the Headmaster in a not so subtle way (depth and slam).


I actually heard an EMP before side by side with my RKV. If the RKV's bass punch is like Mike Tyson delivering a knock out blow, then the EMP's bass in comparison was like a 3 year old throwing a punch at a 400 pound man.
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The RKV utterly creams the EMP as far as authoritive bass impact goes. It also creams the Headmaster at that as well. I do believe that while the bass depth of the RKV does not exceed or equal the Headmaster's, that it does exceed the EMP's. The EMP to me is simply not much of a high end amp, and certainly isn't worth the $750 it costs. I think it should cost more like $400, but for $750, it's a no brainer to look at the other amps in that price level like the ZOTL, Headmaster, Melos, and now the RKV.

Personally I don't believe bass depth and bass impact can exist in one piece of equipment. It may be possible, but I think it'd also be some pretty exotic equipment to make them go hand in hand.

Nik, yes, while I had the RKV I was using the R10, hence the hissing problem. On the Sugden I also used the R10 while I still owned it, and Etymotics.
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 1:30 PM Post #9 of 28
Thanks for the comparison, Vert. This went pretty much as I expected it to.

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Originally posted by Vertigo-1
Personally I don't believe bass depth and bass impact can exist in one piece of equipment. It may be possible, but I think it'd also be some pretty exotic equipment to make them go hand in hand.


This is the only thing posted that I was troubled by. I've not yet heard the Sugden (to be remedied soon) but the RKV has very good bass depth--equal or better than any other amp I have heard. I disagree completely that bass depth and bass impact are at odds with each other, although you may have the misfortune of being distracted enough by one to not notice the other.

The RKV has in every way the best bass I have heard in a headphone amplifier. The only amplifier I could compare it with to get across how it sounds to me is a McIntosh speaker amplifier that runs for about $16k. As someone who is very picky about this particular aspect of the sound, I'm very appreciative of the RKV.

The only other addition I wanted to make here is that after Vertigo sold his RKV (to me) due to the hiss, after I had repairs done (I blew it up with a voltage spike), the hiss was gone. The amplifier now no longer has hiss with headphones of any impedance I have tried (25-300ohm). This leads me to believe that the problem won't exist with new orders of the amplifier, but we won't *really* know until reviews start coming in.
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 1:38 PM Post #10 of 28
I'm seriously tempted by the RKV but its reliablity is definitely sketchy. The EMP would work for me although it is a bit overpriced, and I thought the plastic case was cheesy.

Where can the Sugden be had for 750?
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 2:11 PM Post #11 of 28
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Originally posted by kelly
The amplifier now no longer has hiss with headphones of any impedance I have tried (25-300ohm). This leads me to believe that the problem won't exist with new orders of the amplifier, but we won't *really* know until reviews start coming in.


i'm really hoping for this. i really don't trust my grados in any tube amp except for the zotl. they all just seem to sound horrible with them.. cept for that cary at the tour. maybe the rkv will give me some tube sweetness with my rs-1's..
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 2:55 PM Post #12 of 28
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Voices come through starkly naked, but lacking any sort of emotional warmth.


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Sometimes it's nice to have that warmth to a voice, but sometimes it's also nice to just to hear the stark nakedness of a voice.


These 2 statements have me very worried that I will not like the Sugden since I really like to listen to female Jazz vocalists. Maybe I should just stick to the sweetness and warmth of the RKV. It may be a good thing that I haven't found a Sugden yet.
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 2:57 PM Post #13 of 28
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The only other addition I wanted to make here is that after Vertigo sold his RKV (to me) due to the hiss, after I had repairs done (I blew it up with a voltage spike), the hiss was gone. The amplifier now no longer has hiss with headphones of any impedance I have tried (25-300ohm).


Hey Kelly, where did you send your unit to be repaired?
 
Jul 18, 2002 at 3:05 PM Post #14 of 28
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Originally posted by acidtripwow


Hey Kelly, where did you send your unit to be repaired?


AudioValve.
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Jul 18, 2002 at 3:30 PM Post #15 of 28
Hi Kelly,

the bass of the RKV is better than EAR HP-4’ bass? What about the soundstage comparison: RKV/HP-4? Do you think that even with the R-10 there isn’t hiss problem?

Thanks for help…
 

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