Benchmark your high-end system against this…

Mar 21, 2023 at 10:42 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 14

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For those of you who didn’t see my thread, I did a little test between dac’s. It became very obvious to me how much I liked my main setup. So I’d like to extend an offer to some of the long time members who have really nice systems to compare their systems to the Topping D90SE and A90 Discrete amp.

These amps get a lot of word of mouth about being super clean and show amazing specs. Well, specs don’t mean everything. Since I own these, instead of selling them or giving them away (for now) I’d like to loan them out to folks we can trust who want to audition them for a couple of days before sending them to the next person.

So who’s up to be first? I’ll send it anywhere on my dime. The only caveat is you need to be someone with a history on the forum.

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Mar 21, 2023 at 11:22 PM Post #2 of 14
Lol..I will take the Topping challenge.
 
Mar 21, 2023 at 11:29 PM Post #3 of 14
Excellent!!!

PM me your info and I’ll ship it out.
 
Mar 22, 2023 at 1:20 AM Post #4 of 14
Same offer for a Chord Mojo gen 1.

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Mar 22, 2023 at 1:47 AM Post #5 of 14
Same offer for a Chord Mojo gen 1.

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Have you tried this yourself? First disconnect the internal battery, then power Mojo with an external USB power supply (e.g., an ifi unit). After that run you Aurender to Mojo via toslink and compare to your May :relieved:
 
Mar 22, 2023 at 1:53 AM Post #6 of 14
Don’t you sleep? 😁

I have not tried that. Hmm… 😜
 
Mar 22, 2023 at 11:05 PM Post #7 of 14
Ok, Topping stack sent out to chesebert. If someone wants it next contact me.

I’m surprised no one wants to demo the chord mojo - even if it is a gen 1. 😁
 
Mar 24, 2023 at 4:38 PM Post #10 of 14
Getting familiar with the Topping sound right now. Running stock reconstruction filter (linear) with 4v line output.

Emm Labs NS1 -> Audio Envy AES -> D90SE -> DNM solid core phono -> GSX mk2 -> NDH 30

Some ifi power related treatments for D90SE on the AC side.

Last but not least, thank you OP for making this happen.

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Mar 24, 2023 at 6:26 PM Post #12 of 14
For those of you who didn’t see my thread, I did a little test between dac’s. It became very obvious to me how much I liked my main setup. So I’d like to extend an offer to some of the long time members who have really nice systems to compare their systems to the Topping D90SE and A90 Discrete amp.

These amps get a lot of word of mouth about being super clean and show amazing specs. Well, specs don’t mean everything. Since I own these, instead of selling them or giving them away (for now) I’d like to loan them out to folks we can trust who want to audition them for a couple of days before sending them to the next person.

So who’s up to be first? I’ll send it anywhere on my dime. The only caveat is you need to be someone with a history on the forum.

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i have an a90/d90 in my office setup for pc gaming so regularly get to hear it compared to my main systems. It's fine for gaming but for music its pretty underwhelming yeh lol
 
Mar 24, 2023 at 6:40 PM Post #13 of 14
i have an a90/d90 in my office setup for pc gaming so regularly get to hear it compared to my main systems. It's fine for gaming but for music its pretty underwhelming yeh lol
I am giving D90 as good of a chance to perform at its max as I have seen anywhere. Emm Labs NS1 is a $4500 network bridge that IMO is better sounding than Aurender N10 (obviously N10 has way more functionality than NS1). The Audio Envy AES cable I am using is pretty good and punches way above its price range. Might as well go all out :sweat_smile:
 
Mar 25, 2023 at 11:44 AM Post #14 of 14
Mini Impression and Reflection on Topping D90SE

Equipment Used: Emm Labs NS1, Emm Labs DAC2xV2, Headamp GSX(mk2 module), Headamp GS-1(mk2 module)
Headphones compared: Neumann NDH30
Cable: Audio Envy AES, DNM RCA, Fog City Cardas balanced cable
Music Genres: jazz (small ensemble and big band), symphony, Jpop, Cpop, electronic, solo instruments.

Notes on Connection and Setup:

Topping D90SE is connected to Emm Labs NS1 via Audio Envy AES cable. I note AES connection is the best digital output from NS1 (apart from the even superior proprietary fiber optics connection that only works with Emm Labs dac). I did not test the USB connection as I have already tested various DAC with USB and compared the USB connection with NS1's AES and NS1 has time and time again offered significantly superior performance to USB connection (I have used ifi igalvanic and iUSB3 and other USB decraper; but nothing I have used come close to NS1's AES output). I note that in no time during my test did D90SE drop connection with NS1 or exhibit any connectivity or other issue.

D90SE was configured for dac-only output with 4v output. The reconstruction filter is set to linear and all other settings are stock. I have been listening to primarily CD quality music from wav file and Qobuz. I did not test any high-res or DSD.

Impression and Personal View

As a seasoned audiophile and someone who have jumped on the chi-fi train since the early days and have been disappointed over and over again, I must confess that I approached D90SE with a certain level of distain, dismissiveness and prejudice, similar to how you would look down on that $5 discount supermarket sushi at the end of the day. But, this unassuming converter has forced me to reevaluate my preconceived notions regarding audio reproduction within its price range and those devices from China that focus only on measurements. Though it was with great reluctance that I entertained the possibility of this modest device exceeding my expectations and I obviously took the challenge for schits and giggles, I must admit that it has done so with a modicum of grace and finesse and it has forced me to reflect on my preconception of chi-fi gear.

So to get the obvious sound impression out of the way. D90SE is NOT lifeless, bland, flat, stringent, overly digital sounding, 2D and collapsed soundstage, weak bass, low resolution, piercing high, dry midrange, no instrument separation, wrong instrument timbre. Now that we got the obvious out of the way, I am going to skip talking about D90SE on its own as I personally hate those kind of reviews and go directly to compare with Emm Labs dac2xv2, a dac that's 15x the cost of D90SE.

Emm Labs dac2x does indeed outperform the D90SE in various aspects of music reproduction. While the D90SE was able to deliver a level of audio quality that was competitive within its price range, the dac2x ultimately maintains its superiority in multiple areas. Notably, the dac2x exhibits greater sound density, weightiness to the musical notes, and a more dynamic range, significantly setting it apart from the D90SE. Furthermore, the Emm Labs dac2x excels in microdynamics, instrument separation, and rendition of space, offering a more immersive and three-dimensional listening experience. Dac2x also excels in the rendition of these tiny sounds and harmonics around a dominant sound. D90SE on the other hand would render the dominant sound rather well but cannot reproduction these secondary harmonics and sounds, making it a "one-note" sound. Also, with dac2x, the space between instruments is better represented, and the mid-range is characterized by a more liquid quality (there is a hint of liquidity with D90SE but dac2x just does it a lot better). Overall, the dac2x delivers a more life-like reproduction of instruments and human voices. While the D90SE is impressive within its price bracket, it is clear that the dac2x remains the superior choice for those seeking the highest level of audio fidelity - just stating the obvious.

If I have to sum up in one sentence the sound profile and reproduction quality of D90SE, it would be D90SE is the modern equivalent of Weiss DAC1 from 10-15 years ago. Weiss DAC 1 is now on either third or fourth gen and is just a different league of dac than the iteration from the last decade. But if you ever get to hear first gen Weiss DAC1, you should find it to sound very similar in quality and sound profile to D90SE.

In conclusion, my initial skepticism of the D90SE has been challenged by the device's actual performance. While it may not be the giant killer touted by ASR, the D90SE offers an excellent listening experience that demands a reevaluation of what can be achieved in this segment of the market and gear from China. Though I may not be entirely won over by the D90SE, it is impossible to deny that it has provided a new perspective, and it is certainly worth considering for audiophiles in search of a more affordable, yet high-quality digital to analog converter.
 
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