This is quite possibly the worst review I’ve read on headfi. Completely biased, poorly written and borderline racist. This should be deleted by the moderators.
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Damz87
Vamp898
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Please, first acquire knowledge, then post.
Beside that, thank you for sharing your personal opinion. I appreciate it.
Please, first acquire knowledge, then post.
Beside that, thank you for sharing your personal opinion. I appreciate it.
Damz87
Right back at ya, champ. Try learning how to string a few paragraphs together, and seeing past your Sony faboyism before posting total nonsense reviews like this one.
Vamp898
Half of my gear is not from Sony, how am i a Sony fanboy? Also there are even lower rates reviews on other websites like e-earphone.
It does have an average rating of 3/5 Stars on a lot of websites, so my 2 Stars are not _that_ far from that.
It does have an average rating of 3/5 Stars on a lot of websites, so my 2 Stars are not _that_ far from that.
Chansensturm
This statement summarizes your bias well. This IEM, is not trying to "make it sound good", it is representing the source faithfully, just as a studio mixing monitor does. This was the Softears' engineers stated design goal. My experience with the RS10 is that it tries very hard not to add anything that isn't actually there. Additive effects can be fun and enjoyable (Sony does this quite well), but this is not what the designers behind the RS10 were shooting for. I can understand why you might be disappointed by a tuning this precise and analytical, it can come off as cold, but to mock a small company behind this rather careful design goes too far and shows a certain lack of sensitivity.
This statement summarizes your bias well. This IEM, is not trying to "make it sound good", it is representing the source faithfully, just as a studio mixing monitor does. This was the Softears' engineers stated design goal. My experience with the RS10 is that it tries very hard not to add anything that isn't actually there. Additive effects can be fun and enjoyable (Sony does this quite well), but this is not what the designers behind the RS10 were shooting for. I can understand why you might be disappointed by a tuning this precise and analytical, it can come off as cold, but to mock a small company behind this rather careful design goes too far and shows a certain lack of sensitivity.
HansBarbarossa
I dare to suggest that either the author has a weak sound source (RS10 shows the path of the audio device well, the recording quality and is demanding on amplification), or he is used to a more decorated/colored sound manner.
Vamp898
@Chansensturm
> This IEM, is not trying to "make it sound good", it is representing the source faithfully
No, it doesn't.
> just as a studio mixing monitor does.
It is not usable as an studio monitor, as stated in my review
> Additive effects can be fun and enjoyable (Sony does this quite well)
The IER-M9 is an professional Monitor used by artists all over the world. It adds nothing to the music that is not there.
> I can understand why you might be disappointed by a tuning this precise and analytical
I am disappointed because it is marketed as an monitor but is neither precise nor analytic. As i stated in my review.
> but to mock a small company behind this rather careful design goes too far and shows a certain lack of sensitivity.
They as for 2000€ for the very first product they ever released. If they really are an small company, they are extremely arrogant and earned the mocking.
> This IEM, is not trying to "make it sound good", it is representing the source faithfully
No, it doesn't.
> just as a studio mixing monitor does.
It is not usable as an studio monitor, as stated in my review
> Additive effects can be fun and enjoyable (Sony does this quite well)
The IER-M9 is an professional Monitor used by artists all over the world. It adds nothing to the music that is not there.
> I can understand why you might be disappointed by a tuning this precise and analytical
I am disappointed because it is marketed as an monitor but is neither precise nor analytic. As i stated in my review.
> but to mock a small company behind this rather careful design goes too far and shows a certain lack of sensitivity.
They as for 2000€ for the very first product they ever released. If they really are an small company, they are extremely arrogant and earned the mocking.
Vamp898
@HansBarbarossa
The RS10 is an colored In-Ear, it is, for sure, not uncolored. The FA9 for example is way more neutral (you can also see that in the graphs).
I wrote what sources i used in the review and i posted what other IEM i used for comparison (Including the IER-M9, an professional Monitor (actually used by artists for Monitoring, not just as an marketing claim) and the FiiO FA9 that can be tuned to Neutral using the switches)
> and is demanding on amplification
Its maximum input power is 100mW, it is not demanding on amplification. Pretty much everything can drive this thing. You can blow this In-Ear with an USB Dongle.
The RS10 is an colored In-Ear, it is, for sure, not uncolored. The FA9 for example is way more neutral (you can also see that in the graphs).
I wrote what sources i used in the review and i posted what other IEM i used for comparison (Including the IER-M9, an professional Monitor (actually used by artists for Monitoring, not just as an marketing claim) and the FiiO FA9 that can be tuned to Neutral using the switches)
> and is demanding on amplification
Its maximum input power is 100mW, it is not demanding on amplification. Pretty much everything can drive this thing. You can blow this In-Ear with an USB Dongle.
Vamp898
@zenki
Live concerts are recorded in an concert hall. Acoustic recordings often are done in special rooms. Studio recordings pretty much always use some type of Hall to at least simulate an minimum amount of soundstage, even if its just an "Basement" type echo. Not always, but 99% of the time.
During the Mixing and Mastering, the instruments are carefully placed in the soundstage using several types of EQs and Hall filter.
This soundstage is lost on the RS10. Not completely of course (that's impossible, i should have chosen a different word than zero, that is true), but it is not rendered correctly as it is supposed to be which causes instruments to lack in separation and incorrect placement in the soundstage. This is caused by the treble peaks and due to the fact, that the treble is pretty much inaudible after 8kHz. There is an immense lack of information in the treble that is needed for an proper soundstage.
Live concerts are recorded in an concert hall. Acoustic recordings often are done in special rooms. Studio recordings pretty much always use some type of Hall to at least simulate an minimum amount of soundstage, even if its just an "Basement" type echo. Not always, but 99% of the time.
During the Mixing and Mastering, the instruments are carefully placed in the soundstage using several types of EQs and Hall filter.
This soundstage is lost on the RS10. Not completely of course (that's impossible, i should have chosen a different word than zero, that is true), but it is not rendered correctly as it is supposed to be which causes instruments to lack in separation and incorrect placement in the soundstage. This is caused by the treble peaks and due to the fact, that the treble is pretty much inaudible after 8kHz. There is an immense lack of information in the treble that is needed for an proper soundstage.
HansBarbarossa
Vamp898
Well, for example, the IEMs you listed (IER-M9 and FA9), for me personally, are garbage. My reference is PP8, VE8, FIR XE6...etc
But this is my opinion and of course it may not coincide with yours. Hence your negative review. Having written about a sound source that is demanding in terms of gain and path, this also applies.
By no means do I want to offend you, but understanding of sound, taste is learned over the years and individual perception works here.
Well, for example, the IEMs you listed (IER-M9 and FA9), for me personally, are garbage. My reference is PP8, VE8, FIR XE6...etc
But this is my opinion and of course it may not coincide with yours. Hence your negative review. Having written about a sound source that is demanding in terms of gain and path, this also applies.
By no means do I want to offend you, but understanding of sound, taste is learned over the years and individual perception works here.
gordonli
I think you have a misconception of what a "reference" frequency response is (a replication of what the recording engineers heard). That is the Harman target curve, not IEF neutral (which is Crinacle's preferred target). Even on Crinacle's website he lists the signature as "Harman-neutral".
This set seems to hit that target curve fairly well, so I don't believe your comments about its FR are valid:
https://crinacle.com/graphs/iems/graphtool/?share=Harman_IE_2019_v2_Target,RS10
As for technicalities, I haven't heard it myself so I wouldn't be able to speak on that.
This set seems to hit that target curve fairly well, so I don't believe your comments about its FR are valid:
https://crinacle.com/graphs/iems/graphtool/?share=Harman_IE_2019_v2_Target,RS10
As for technicalities, I haven't heard it myself so I wouldn't be able to speak on that.
Chansensturm
From 4.5k down, it matches the Harman curve almost perfectly. It is uncanny.
Above 6k; however, there are resonances that develop in the test equipment. This make taking measurements significantly less accurate above that point (at least that is my understanding). However, even there, the RS10 follows the curve fairly well.
Above 6k; however, there are resonances that develop in the test equipment. This make taking measurements significantly less accurate above that point (at least that is my understanding). However, even there, the RS10 follows the curve fairly well.
Lemondante
This review is... interesting
AmericanSpirit
I have a doubt if this review is an imaginary one.
1: Why currency is in Euro when the reviewer is “From Japan”?
2: It states it’s a loaner. Any proof of actual pictures of possession showing that this review was actually conducted with RS10?
3: I can see a personal grudge of this reviewer being denied for a review opportunity
Anyway reported user simply because he/she is crossing beyond the line of the head-fi code of conduct. Racism isn’t gonna be tolerated on international community.
As a reviewer, this shouldn’t be considered as a review.
It is “hate speech” campaigner in a form of review.
@MOONDROP @jude @moderators
1: Why currency is in Euro when the reviewer is “From Japan”?
2: It states it’s a loaner. Any proof of actual pictures of possession showing that this review was actually conducted with RS10?
3: I can see a personal grudge of this reviewer being denied for a review opportunity
Anyway reported user simply because he/she is crossing beyond the line of the head-fi code of conduct. Racism isn’t gonna be tolerated on international community.
As a reviewer, this shouldn’t be considered as a review.
It is “hate speech” campaigner in a form of review.
@MOONDROP @jude @moderators
XerusKun
Liked! Very nice very based review approach.
Vamp898
Hi @AmericanSpirit , sorry for the late reply. Let me answer your questions.
I was born and lived most of my life in germany and the € prices are mostly identical to the dollar prices while the yen prices are completely different and almost no japanese are here on head-fi. So it makes no sense to state yen prices for a target group that doesn't exist.
Everyone knows how the RS10 looks, why should i have included pictures? I don't understand why others put pictures into their reviews too. Also you can listen at the RS10 for free of cost at every e-earphone in Japan. So there wouldn't even be an need to loan it.
Vamp898
@AmericanSpirit Part 2
The RS10 is just not good so i did not like it and does not recommend it. But, like with Softears, i do critique that Moondrop uses tons of shadow companies to hide what they produce to increase sales by creating an virtual contest. That is something i personaly dislike, but i did not rated down the product due to that. It would have gotten 5 Stars if it would have sounded good and i would still dislike the fact, that Moondrop created an separate company to rip off audiophiles.
I own the CHIKYU*SEKAI 5/COSMOS e-earphone edition, which was made from the exact same people who made the RS10, did like and recommend it.
The RS10 is just not good so i did not like it and does not recommend it. But, like with Softears, i do critique that Moondrop uses tons of shadow companies to hide what they produce to increase sales by creating an virtual contest. That is something i personaly dislike, but i did not rated down the product due to that. It would have gotten 5 Stars if it would have sounded good and i would still dislike the fact, that Moondrop created an separate company to rip off audiophiles.
