Sturdy build? It is still flimsy plastic
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Closingracer
Parall3l
While Beats Audio trying to make good headphones is a good thing, claiming something subjective like X headphone out performs Y headphone purely based on FR is not going to cut it, sorry. Saying which headphone gets closer to the neutral target or whatever of course won't get any hate from anyone, but performances simply can't be summed up by frequency response alone.
First of all, the Studios from those graphs are shown to have large peaks in treble, where as most of the other cans compared have much less deviation. This can be viewed as a negative for plenty of people (based on various research we know that as a generalisation people tend to prefer a flat sound, although quite a number of people of course prefer other signatures such as bass emphasized).
Secondly, we can see a bass roll off typical of just about any headphone with ANC, again a negative for plenty of people.
The THD graphs don't really say anything about the superiority of the Beats either. At 0.5% as the highest amount of distortion, and with most of those distortion in the very low bass region, not a lot of people are going to hear them, plus the momentum has lower distortion in other ranges, including the ones humans are most sensitive to.
Frequency response is a useful tool for comparison sound signatures, but to use it as the end all for reviews is not ideal. Frequency response can't measure a lot of things, like soundstage, built quality, comfort and other important parts of a headphone.
First of all, the Studios from those graphs are shown to have large peaks in treble, where as most of the other cans compared have much less deviation. This can be viewed as a negative for plenty of people (based on various research we know that as a generalisation people tend to prefer a flat sound, although quite a number of people of course prefer other signatures such as bass emphasized).
Secondly, we can see a bass roll off typical of just about any headphone with ANC, again a negative for plenty of people.
The THD graphs don't really say anything about the superiority of the Beats either. At 0.5% as the highest amount of distortion, and with most of those distortion in the very low bass region, not a lot of people are going to hear them, plus the momentum has lower distortion in other ranges, including the ones humans are most sensitive to.
Frequency response is a useful tool for comparison sound signatures, but to use it as the end all for reviews is not ideal. Frequency response can't measure a lot of things, like soundstage, built quality, comfort and other important parts of a headphone.
skfktkwjs
Closingracer "Sturdy build? It is still flimsy plastic" OMG MDR -1R Built with Flimsy Plastic~LOL
Parall3l// first Large peaks on treble = In terms of flat target of Dr. Harmman, MDR1R's peak and extension are lacking same as bass area. what you think natural is actually lack of treble according to DR.Harmman's flat target. How do people even listen beyerdynamic's headphone and say very natural? Most of their series has freakin huge peak on treble.
Secondly Saying bass roll off. If you find this call bass roll off then, sony MDR-1R and HD600 are button less bass shy headphone in terms of bass extension. Do not ignore slope on the graph.
Thirdly THD can show the ability of headphone's driver. Measure
Sound stage, How tight the bass is. how fast the bass response, Dynamics etc. measurement can tell you more than you think. If you understand how to see impulse,Step response THD correctly, you can pretty much understand everything which you said that is nondiscrimination.
Parall3l// first Large peaks on treble = In terms of flat target of Dr. Harmman, MDR1R's peak and extension are lacking same as bass area. what you think natural is actually lack of treble according to DR.Harmman's flat target. How do people even listen beyerdynamic's headphone and say very natural? Most of their series has freakin huge peak on treble.
Secondly Saying bass roll off. If you find this call bass roll off then, sony MDR-1R and HD600 are button less bass shy headphone in terms of bass extension. Do not ignore slope on the graph.
Thirdly THD can show the ability of headphone's driver. Measure
Sound stage, How tight the bass is. how fast the bass response, Dynamics etc. measurement can tell you more than you think. If you understand how to see impulse,Step response THD correctly, you can pretty much understand everything which you said that is nondiscrimination.
hd800op
So have you compared it to the monster inspiration? How does it stack up? I'm considering this or the monster inspiration.
skfktkwjs
hd800op // In terms of sound quality, new studio has much more refined Bass Mid and High.
I do appreciate inspiration as out door OK sounding headphone. New studio, I have compared Beats new studio with my Amperior, B&o H6, and Momentum with my ear as well, I do find beats new studio has similar sound quality with them. I do recommend new studio if you are considering inspiration.
I do appreciate inspiration as out door OK sounding headphone. New studio, I have compared Beats new studio with my Amperior, B&o H6, and Momentum with my ear as well, I do find beats new studio has similar sound quality with them. I do recommend new studio if you are considering inspiration.
Closingracer
Lol there beats and Sony are flimsy but from what I listened of both the Sony has much better sound D quality then beats studios do but wouldn't buy either. I would tell anybody who wants great sounding headphones at the 300 dollar price range to get the Sennheiser momentums or the v-moda crossfade m-100.
hd800op
Dude the new studio feels a lot better from what I've heard, and did you listen to the new studios?
Parall3l
A peak is a peak. It does not translate to flat, especially after compensation, like those graphs. I've not heard of a compensation method by Dr Harman himself, I assume this is referring to Dr Sean Olive's recent modified speaker in room curve. Using that curve instead of the diffuse field, which is what I assume is used, will not remove those peaks, and there are also subjective reports of the HD-25 peak, with similar responses in the treble compared to the Beats.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD251IIB2012.pdf
Here's the raw graph of the HD25, with Dr Olive's graph, which is quote "...essentially a tilted straight line with the bass end about 10dB above the treble end.", the peaks will still be around.
Second, a bass roll off is a bass roll off. It doesn't matter if another headphone have it.
Again, you can't measure build quality, comfort and I highly doubt soundstage. There isn't even a value assigned to the measurement of soundstage, the best system we currently have is a few experienced guys making educated guesses. Plus I have never even heard of using THD measuring soundstage, unless you want to provide a citation for that. There are possible correlation between size of soundstage with other measurements such as square waves but you've only shown frequency response. Claiming other things can measure things I said frequency response can't measure is pointless.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD251IIB2012.pdf
Here's the raw graph of the HD25, with Dr Olive's graph, which is quote "...essentially a tilted straight line with the bass end about 10dB above the treble end.", the peaks will still be around.
Second, a bass roll off is a bass roll off. It doesn't matter if another headphone have it.
Again, you can't measure build quality, comfort and I highly doubt soundstage. There isn't even a value assigned to the measurement of soundstage, the best system we currently have is a few experienced guys making educated guesses. Plus I have never even heard of using THD measuring soundstage, unless you want to provide a citation for that. There are possible correlation between size of soundstage with other measurements such as square waves but you've only shown frequency response. Claiming other things can measure things I said frequency response can't measure is pointless.
Beef Anus
You don't got no beats bro?
Closingracer
I have listened to the new Studios in BestBuy and RadioShack and wasn't impressed
Closingracer
It was better and a sound improvement over the monster made Studios but still not worth $300 of my hard earned money
iPhone Awesome
Not so bad but.... not such a good one either.
BillsonChang007
They made it closer to "neutral" this time [according to the graph] but it's still not on par with the Momentum IMO. Upper mids are more recessed than the Momentum by quite a bit... Still wish to try it before claiming they still sound as bad. Standing in the middle, not going to say which is better and how well they sound just my reading measurement!
iSennheiser
I have listen to the new beats studio 2013. I don't think if they outperform my momentum except the slightly wider sound-stage of the Studio. The Momentum is like the hint of how HD600 sounds like with the disadvantage of smaller soundstage and recessed highs(due to closed design). So I don't think Beats studio 2013 is any match with Momentum, no way.
