What do you mean layers ? I do find it narrow and crowded at times.

Thank you . I will try wide bore tips. I agree Enigma has narrow stage as a result crowded imaging ?

How would you guys describe the stage of the Enigma/ Enigma+ (I assume the original lot were closed back) ? Some how I feel Seraph has better stage ! Enigma doesnt feel as expansive as Seraph. Do filters and cables alter stage ? Any pointers if i can achieve a more expansive sound from the...

I agree that Enigma performs better with better sources. I use an ibasso dx320 and Qobuzz . these seem to bring out very good sound from the Enigma.

Try Black bottom and gold upper with pure copper cable and softears tips for the Seraph. I don't get any sibilance with this combination any more. And Seraph sounds pretty good with this combo for sure.

Enigma+ presentation of classical music is really fantastic. Specially the violin. V16 even with all its separation sounds a little plain. But I'm going to have to test some orchestral stuff on both v16 and Enigma.

Switched to black lowers on the Enigma+. The bass and sub bass levels are just insane. Feels like bass has increased considerably after some burn in. Used to find the bass slightly bloated before but it seems better now

Some one here has already done the 1 er zr comparison in great detail.

Yes this track is slightly sibilant on Enigma+. Try the Qobuzz version it is less sibilant. But then I expect mj s high pitch to be slightly sibilant.

Will try to get this thanks

If you get a good deal go for it

In my case, Enigma+ and Thie Audio V16 are both comparable. Overall /bass / musicality Enigma+ has an edge , but in terms of detail and separation v16 wins. I dont think ill need to buy anything for a while. I'd like a nice cable for the Enigma though How does the fibae 7 compare with Enigma+ ?

I You are completely right. Eros s also introduces sibilance in Enigma +. Code 23 has no sibilance.

Beautiful pictures and I initial impressions

Then finally is the faceplate with holes the only difference ? Can I use the seraph faceplates on the Enigma+ ? If I just unscrew and screw the seraph faceplate does the Enigma+ become open back ?

Considering the quality of the v16 , I feel the Enigma+ at 2000 GBP or 1400 GBP is overpriced. 1000-1100 usd used is what I'd pay now for Enigma+ max Not sure if an even better cable helps Enigma+ . But as it stands today v16 and Enigma+ are in the same league . It's only a matter of preference.

This is possible.

Treble was initially very sibilant specially with eros s and azla. Sibilance is less with code 23 but loses some detail and energy. After some burnin , tangzu wide bore and software tips sounds good. Still some sibilance but looks like i like some sibilance. Anything below the blue top...

In my case the treble definitely became smoother after burn in and the bass just went out of control. Don't know why the bass increased that much. So I currently use the grey/red lower + blue upper with softears tips and eros s. For me the Black / Blue lower sounds bloated and completely off...

I don't like it either. Since I paid full price for the Enigma. But discount is good any way . Next time I'm never getting into pre order hype for anything ever again ! That is my learning. I'm going to wait for a good deal always.

Thank you. This is what I wanted to know

It's good that IMR are giving good deals. I dont see other iem manufacturers handing out discounts all that much. I do see a lot of discounts on hifiman though.

Any idea what the difference is expected to be ? What is this closed vs open concept in iems ?

What's an open back Enigma . Is it different from the Enigma we have ?

Bump and price reduced to 480 USD