The seller cancelled my Amazon order! Guess he figured out the deal wasn't in his interest

Mine is easy Jan or even end of the month (doubtful). I'll report back. Worse that can happen is I get a full refund

Yes but the worst that could happen is they never come and I get a full refund I guess

Hey man fellow Canadian here. I just bought the AKG 712s last night after a boatload of research. My budget was significantly higher, but ended up deciding on these because the reviews on these for gaming and their comfort are excellent. I am even playing the same games as you, including...

I've been looking to get these for a little bit and I saw them on Amazon for 222$, which seemed like a crazy deal. So I jumped on it and bought them.... Only issue is that they were offered by a completely new and unknown seller.  ...

Yeah I'll throw in my Bose QC15 for a life changing experience ! Lol

hmm that is a good point. It is called "Theatre Dimensional", which makes virtual surround with "two speakers". I had assumed it would work with headphones, but perhaps that was a bad assumption.   I will audition them in the AVR and will report back. One issue is I am new to hi-fi and can't...

I don't know! Don't own them yet.. I'm not concerned about the power of the AVR, more concerned about the potentially high output impedance (greater than 10% the headphone impedance)

I have Onkyo TX-NR636 as receiver. And the AKG 712 don't have an impedance near 300..

  I actually have an AVR that offers simulated surround sound. But I have been told that the AVR would not act as a good enough headphone amp through the headphone jack! 

Well that is what I meant by "virtual" surround, because it uses the stereo and creates virtual surround and not actual surround :)   Thanks I will look more closely at the first post. For some reason I was under the impression that those were more for surround sound and poor amps

Is there a USB dac/AMP that can provide virtual surround sound for both PC and PS4?

Oh... I see some on eBay you are right... for 235$ US. These come from Hong Kong though. Have people had much experience with these? Are they still made in Europe (and obviously not fake?). Seems weird to come from Asia!

I see these going for 300$ on Amazon. Is this as cheap as they get? Any chance of them going even lower on boxing day?

  Oh I see! The whole side of the 712s are "mesh"/"cage" like and I figured that would mean it is all open! Similar to the HE-400i

Hmm... I don't quite get your meaning. How is that build different from the HE-400i?

  Damn I watched your video, but I don't think you included full open ones for the comparison! I don't see any sources that the 712s are semi-open or partly isolated. What makes you say that?

Wow man! Much appreciated. The hot debate between 712s and HE-400i suggest to me that either is a fine option. I am still leaning towards HE-400i because more people seem to think it might have an edge (if you do a wide google search), but I will try both tomorrow to be sure. Is...

Ok...I will likely get the HE-400i if I find them as comfortable as the 712s.    Can anyone recommend to me a headphone amp+DAC combo with a USB input that works with PS4, is preferably <150$, and that can power the HE-400i well? Virtual surround sound would be a bonus. I know some USB ones...

The amount of sound leakage is actually a bit important due to the wife acceptance factor.... Would you say the AKG 712s have less leakage than the HE-400i? That would be interesting.    and @Hi-Fi EDU thank you for the post you made on these forums comparing the HE-400i and AKG712s in depth...

Thanks man, much appreciated. Every bit of feedback helps! My understanding is that these are both really 10/10 headphones and excellent "value", so either way I will be happy. I need to try on the HE-400i again. I have tried on the AKGs twice and find them incredibly comfortable. 

Yeah I got a PS4 slim, so I think options include sticking headphones in my AVR headphone jack (I've heard mixed opinions on doing that), sticking headphones into TV headphone output (+amp probably), or using a USB amp/dac with the PS4 (I am inclined towards this to also use headphones with PC)...

    You've tried the HE-400i for a while as well?

Yes good point. I am not in a place to say that people's impressions on this topic or false, I was just looking for a bit more information on perhaps the scope of the difference. if different amps are very important, then that means this is something ELSE I have to spend time researching, and...

AKG 712 pro vs Hifiman HE-400i Thanks guys. Great thinking. I can probably get an amp to work. So assuming that, sound wise, which would be the ones to get? I'm assuming they are both sufficiently durable to last many years