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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Sorry for the late response with this one, and I hope it's not too off-topic, castleofargh. Although I find Michael Fremer to be one of the most obnoxious loudmouths in the entire audio world, I do actually mostly side with him on those two issues: As far as I could read, the cable challenge...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Is it honestly very likely that dithering could produce such a spike?
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I find Mark Waldrep to be the only person in the hi-res business worth listening to. He also admits that he can't distinguish hi-res from CD specs, and he also said, after his failed hi-res challenge last year, that he doesn't believe anyone else can either. No one else in the hi-res industry...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Agreed, although instead of "resolution" I would simply call it signal to noise ration, as you also say, as people often understand "resolution" to mean something else (like Gregorio pointed out in his original post). But then still, hi-res is defined by being recordings of higher specs than...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Fair enough :-). I'm a bit the opposite. I remaster music myself fairly often - I even remastered a song from my favourite album of all time, which is an album I've lived with since 1996 when it was released, and I was very happy with the result. In a similar vein, when "The White Album" by The...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    That would be the 24-part of the 24/96 equation (the bit depth). The ultrasonic part would be the 96 part.
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Whenever possible I compare the different versions first and then I buy the version I prefer. I've sometimes seen people rave about certain releases, and when I listen for myself I find that I prefer the one that those people dispise, although there is often consensus between me and others. As...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I completely agree. As Ethan Winer once said, people don't like to be told that their hyper expensive gear has been a waste of money. In extension of my post above about the two groups of people, the people who spend extraordinary amounts of money on their stereo system tend to build their...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    You can at least install the separate SoX resampler plugin in Foobar to convert sample rate. Otherwise, if you only want to change bit-depth, you can also use Foobar: Right-click on the track, choose "convert", choose "wave" and then in the drop-down menu there's the option of bit-depth. It...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I see your point, and I suppose I agree, but if you and I (and others) don't want to convince group 1, why are we trying to argue with them? Why are we not just saying "please back up your statements with an ABX test and until you do we won't respond to you or engage in any kind of argument...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    @gregorio might be able to answer your question if he sees your post, as he and nick_charles talked about music samples on the same page (page 3) of this thread. However, nick_charles erased his post, so I couldn't figure out if they were talking about the samples provided by Soundkeeper...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I've also used some strong language in this debate, which someone asked me to tone down. I can include @gregorio here, I love your initial post and have linked to it several times, and I love all the knowledge you have on the subject, but what I'm slowly coming to realize is that for these types...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Nope :-).
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Then install Foobar and its separate ABX plugin and report back when that is done.
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    We will do this on one condition, and only on this one condition: That you use Foobar's ABX plugin to do an ABX test with 16 trials (or more if you wish) and that you post your log and provide other kinds of evidence that we might ask for in case we suspect foul play (although by using Foobar's...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I live in Spain, so I'm not coming. If you're so intent on doing it in person you can come here (seriously). But we've all proposed an easier solution for you: Convert a 24 bit file to 16 bit, do an ABX test and post the log here. And you didn't answer my question. I assume you probably won't...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    AGREEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!! EXACTLY! Maybe the rest of you have heard about the experiement where they played people the same song two times in a row and a whopping 76 % preferred one over the other. Every time I have had similar arguments with audiophiles, whether it's about bit depth, sample...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I once read a mastering engineer say that if he had an artist asking for a squashed and loud mastering he would then make two masterings: One the way he wanted it to sound; and then the same but squashed. Then after compressing it, he would lower the volume of the loud master to match the...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    If I understand the point he's trying to make correctly, then what he's trying to say is that there are no anti-aliasing filters in DACs. This is only true if you buy one of those NOS DACs that purposely leave out filters. These DACs/CD players are preferred by some audiophiles, but have by some...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Please just provide the log of the properly conducted ABX test (level-matched down to 0.1 dB, time-aligned, enough trials, etc.) that you convincingly passed between 24 and 16 bit (Foobar's ABX plugin is perfect for this). Then we won't pester you any more. By convincingly I mean something like...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Also, if we send him files, he will most likely look at what file is which and then claim to have heard enormous differences. Alternatively, he might guess and get it right, since there's a 50 % chance anyway. One thing is for sure: He won't do an ABX test of the things he claims to be able to hear.
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    This, to me, is another nail in your coffin, because it shows that you didn't read the very first post on page one by Gregorio, which shows exactly why what you're saying is wrong. But please don't take that personal - most unknowing audiophiles believe the same thing as you. The point that...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    And again, you just keep talking although I asked you to post the log of your passed blind test. I'm starting to think that if you actually had one, or were wiling to take the ABX test and post the log, you would have done that a looooong time ago. So last chance: Post a log, or shut up! But I...
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    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I'm 38. I've checked my hearing with a frequency sweep that started at 22 kHz, and my hearing tops out at around 17.5 kHz. And yours? And now, please provide the log of the blind test you've passed between 24 bit and the same file properly converted to 16 bit. This is the second time I've...
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