Neither really, none of the one's i said was bad but from a price to performance ratio for me they don't perform. Spoiled by ety's I'm afraid:)

9 times out of ten they sound better to me. As you see in my list I consider the 315 to be an awesome sounding iem, They have nice detail and I find them exciting to listen to, Yet you hardly hear them talked about. Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the top tiers at all but IT's that point...

Lol, yeah. Mind you I must admit in my time with earphones I much prefer the sound of the lesser known or rather un hyped ones shall we say.

Too many too mention off hand, But top 5 would be 1.Er4s/P 2. Se315 3. Atrio mg7 4. Thinksound ms01 5. Se420. Worst would be in no particular order. Se530, TdkBa200, Melec m11+, Westone 2, Sleek audio sa6.

Nice pics. I'd like to chime in here too and share my love for er4p/s. The p is a brilliant sounding iem but the s adapter turns them into imo the best sound I've ever heard in a phone be it cans or iem's! Just pure audio bliss. I love mine to bits. Also I find that using the future sonic ear...

Thanks for the reply, Yeah tried all that so I guess I'll have to get shot of them. Although I'll keep trying to get them to stay in Lol. Not looking good at the moment though. Shame.

Hi there. New face on the forums here but with a problem. At the moment this is driving me up the wall. Just got a pair of these yesterday and I'm having a rotten time trying to get these to fit. Almost to the point where I feel like smashing them and throwing them away. I've tried star tips...