Thanks for the info. I decided to order the 60gb refurb ipod. I also ordered a Cryo Dock from Audio Line Out. Now I just need to figure out which headphone amp to get.

Thanks for the reply How would SQ compare between the Zen xtra and the Ipod/rockbox without a amp? Im thinking about getting a Go-Vibe V5 but im not sure if I want to carry that around with me. Im currently using KSC-35 and Super.fi 5 pros for headphones.

Im tempted to get a 60gb refurb ipod due to the price drop. Is a 5g ipod with Rockbox a big improvement in SQ over a 40gb Zen Xtra? Most of my music is 192 VBR mp3's.