Quote: Originally Posted by Bilavideo I had an M^3 with STEPs PSU and variable bass boost. The whole package can be obtained for less than $500. It transformed the 701 and it's nothing exotic, just great engineering without a lot of fanfare. Hi, Sounds like my type of amp. No...

Quote: Originally Posted by Uncle Erik I always found the HD-650 the superior headphone, especially with a quality amp. If you push the HD-650 well, it is a superb headphone. The HD-800 is a step above, which is saying a lot. I didn't expect that, but it was. Hi, I can't argue...

Quote: Originally Posted by midoo1990 I think this analogy is wrong.I found hd650 and k701 to have the same amount of detail but it is much more apparent on the k701 because of it's weird metallic treble and bright presentation. I don't exactly understand what you mean by false details...

Quote: Originally Posted by aimlink When you say, 'the brain', I assume that you're referring to 'your brain' and not including mine? BTW, rhythmdevils again, made some very good points that unfortunately seems to make much sense to you? Wel I think rhythmdevils made the same...

Quote: Originally Posted by rhythmdevils I'm not saying that you should prefer one or the other, I was trying to lay out 2 different ways of listening to music- focusing more on detail, or more on tone, and how each headphone caters to those approaches. Of course noone listens to...

Quote: Originally Posted by midoo1990 it's just headphones guys no need for the many non-sense in this thread,to the OP get both and sell what you don't like,I prefered the hd650 but I can understand why many will hate it and like the 701 more. Great advice. I bought both and...

Quote: Originally Posted by Godziltw I like the sounds of 650s. I think 650 is not dark and veiled but warm and engaging IMHO. Also 650 is much more comfortable then K702. Yes , Some people do find the AKG uncomfortable, including my wife, but they are super comfy for me. As...

Quote: Originally Posted by 12Bass Not sure if/how "detail" could be objectively measured. From my limited audition, the HD650 sounded murky in comparison to the K702. Somehow I don't think that the K70x's upper midrange bump is responsible, as it sounds like there's more overall...

Quote: Originally Posted by rhythmdevils It certainly sounds more detailed for the reasons I mentioned above. (which can be a good thing if detail is your biggest priority) However, I don't think that the K701 actually reproduces any more (or significantly more) detail than the HD650...

Quote: Originally Posted by Ypoknons I personally am much more cautious about going balanced, especially with a low cost balanced amp like the VII+. I don't have the personal experience either, but from my limited technical knowledge balanced operation doesn't replace the the need for...

Quote: Originally Posted by rhythmdevils an attempt at more objective comparison (not black and white): K701 and HD650 are made for very different kinds of listeners, hence the clashes all over the place, and I guess why both groups feel one is natural while the other is unnatural. The...

Quote: Originally Posted by aimlink I guess everything's relative in that if you can't make sense out of the graphs then that becomes their value to you. Fair enough. However, the absolute value you just put on them is nonsense. In fact, if you try to understand that apparent...

Quote: Originally Posted by Pepsi There is no better or worse, right or wrong when it comes to this hobby. There is bias, and sometimes ignorance. Your number one investment is make a list of your most interested headphones, attend a meet, and audition them for yourself. I've owned both...

Quote: Originally Posted by Ridleyguy I agree 100% That's what makes this hobby interesting IMO. Great ! We agree on something at least, lol. You are right ,it does make life interesting. What would it be like if we were all madly in lust with the same women? A bit of a crush I...

Quote: Originally Posted by Ridleyguy I think this is the debate we all expected as soon as another thread was started about these two headphones. Yes , there are few neutral parties ! I'll tell you what it teaches me though, we all appreciate different things in our gear and...

Quote: Originally Posted by MacedonianHero Just to confirm (again ), the Sennheiser veil is only valid on the older black drivers HD650s, the newer HD650s with the silver drivers have NO VEIL. There are no more details or clarity on the K701s, I think Henerenry said it best...

Quote: Originally Posted by CrackBerry9000 The Senn cable system is useful for experimenting with after market cables if that is your thing. The AKG has some serious comfort issues for some people too. Spend some time with the Senns if you can, you will know which ones to get or keep...

Quote: Originally Posted by 12Bass Rather than saying that the HD650 has "more bass" it seems more accurate to me to say that the HD650 has more lower midrange/upper bass, and that it largely what makes it warm sounding. However, the K70x certainly can reproduce deep bass, if it is...

Quote: Originally Posted by cAsE sEnSiTiVe I take graphs the same way I take my With a grain of salt. Yes you are right to. Anybody looking at the graphs on Headroom of the Denon 7000 compared to the 2000 /5000 and the Senn 800 will see the 7000 portrayed as bass light in...

Quote: Originally Posted by Ridleyguy I'll give you an example as to why I wouldn't want the K701/702 as my only headphones. I was just listening to a classic Deutsche Grammophon recording of Bach organ music (Helmut Walcha) with my HD650s, and decided part way through the album to...

Quote: Originally Posted by Acix lol, You downgrade from K-702 to 650. I agree with this one. Hope this doesn't upset Senn lovers [ they are a great 'phone] but the AKG has more detail and clarity. I mean the term " Sennheiser veil " wasn't coined for nothing. And yes, I concede...

Quote: Originally Posted by jjinh And there has been a recent Stax SRS-2050 review here. Great stuff - Cheers

Quote: Originally Posted by jjinh You can try the stax thread. If you need to search in that thread use this. Thanks !

Great Sound with the stuffed pads !

Hi Markl, Thanks for this. I have only done step 1 up to now as I am awaiting Dynamat. I wonder if you mind me making a suggestion that could make stuffing the ear pads easier ? I found that if a cut the top of a plastic cup but left it 2 to 2.5 inches long and placed it in position in the...