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I'm not new to iem's and know the value of good fit,  but I don't usually like to wear them "up." But in this case it's a necessity for good sound. They didn't appear or feel to fit badly down when I first put them in, but the proof is in hearing, So for these, up it is.

Just a quick update. I tried wearing these up rather than down. Whoa..... big difference. Still not getting the bass monster but vocals are much better and the overall presentation is head and sholders above what I got wearing them down. These are pretty heavy (but not really uncomfortable) and...

Just picked up a pair of these. Great price, about half normal for "used" supposedly with marks on the accessories. I couldn't find the scratches. These looked new! Build quality is very good. As for the sound... mids are defintely recessed. I wasn't expecting RE0's (one of my previous iem's)...