Bought them today for 20€ to use them till i get the bose mie2i and try out how this type of headphone would be like. the sound is okay to watch dvds on you notebook but just muddy if you want music. they don't even come close to my akg k-141 mk2. The heights even sound very heavy and muddy. I think i'll pass them on to my aunt if i am done with them and let her try them out while doing sports.