Quote: about 15% loss in over all quality

My ipad3 is also great and has higher output for sure but the ipod touch still wins for SQ

Quote: wow that was harsh..lol   my 4S sounds nice but my favorite is the ipod touch 4G  very warm natural sound

Quote: yes i agree 100% with this.. the BTs are a joy to listen to..

Quote: funny how i dnt see any quality in the sound of the CLs at all...  especially compared to the BTs 

Quote: the CLs are a totally different set of cans and are no where near as nice sounding as the BTs..   I dont like the sound of the CLs at all

Quote: lol i never use min on BT...lol i got them yo use with the cable..  I have never heard a good pair or BT phones ever ..   I love the sound of the BTs with cable and recommend them

Quote: yup...  hard not to be since i am a graphic artist..lol

Quote: they stick out far to much..

lol this thread is very funny now...   many folks dont know that bass instruments can have detail and clarity also..  accurate bass is much more amazing than  distorted noisy bass..

Quote: i would like to know also.. i would never used my BTs with blue tooth cause i dont want any of the blue tooth sound loss..

Quote: The BTs are a much higher end set of cans so i think unfairly compared the CLs to the BTs ... i would say the CLs are more casual  and the BTs are more precise IMO..  I hope more folks on here get these so we can get more reviews..

Quote: definitely ... no one should buy an iphone now at all.. the 5 is almost upon us and sure to be a beast of epic proportions,.

the 4S is the best iphone so far..  hands down and is also the most desired cel phone on earth.   i have had mine for 3 months and it is golden.  the ipad 3 is also damn near perfect

Quote: ipod touch 4G  is still the best IOS DAC i have heard but the 4S is very very close to it...  just slightly less warm

The iphone 4S has the nicest sounding DAC i have heard aside from he 4G ipod touch and the ipad3 which are also awesome

Music.  Music is spiritual it sis a part of the human wave length..  Music is emotion it is life .  I have invested many many thousands in music from CDs to speakers to amps to headphones to you name it because I need music..  I have been lucky enough to have been exposed to many studio settings...

Quote: not really, since all instrument sounds have subtle nuance and extensions and low rez compressed files tend to create dithering and artifacts especially in those subtle areas.. if you always use low end equipment and or low bit rate files there will be parts of you music that you may...

Quote: no i wont buy them at all...  I have B&W P5s and the Harman Kardon BTs

Quote: most speakers and headphones color sound either on purpose or accidentally...   its fair to say that a recording will probably never sound exactly as it does in the studio or mixing suits in any other environment..  but we can still try tok find the highest quality sounds...

question... i though garados were expensive and already perfectly made from factory.. why is there so much modding of them needed?

i will pass on those...  and ji dont like the lookks

Quote:   I have had the P5s for 1 year and yes they are definitely a work of art visually and build quality wise BUT the sound sound does not match up...   They sound good but fail to wow you because they lack volume and range and soundstage and transparency...  Tonally they are nice...

Quote: Really???  I auditioned them for an hour and they were muddy and more veiled than the P5s..  Maybe the pair i her was damaged or something...   The bass  was over emphasized and caused distortion so they must have been abused or something..IDK.. but I bought the BTs and am blown...

Quote: i heard those once... they sounded like a tooth brush  on old teeth..lol