I tried getting a custom profile, but luckily I don’t seem to have any significant hearing loss - in the 2-4khz range -4dBs. So maybe also a reason why I prefer Balanced Tone. Then again, I never thought the JH13s needed tweaking.

Thanks to this thread, I found out about the Balanced Tone setting. I don't know if it's allowed to post here, but I've written my first review in 10 years. https://inoads.com/articles/2020-01-08-APM

I think this is related to the "sound check", have you enabled this feature? If yes, try turning it off.

Just did the demo on the JH13s and I prefered normal stereo to the DSP.

Yep, same thing happened to me. But, its said that the crossovers do require burn in time.

Sorry I can't read the whole thread. Has anyone been able to compare the JH13s to the SM3? I know this is an apples vs oranges comparison, but it seems to preform very well.

LOL @ the avatar, I agree though, the isolation is okish. Not on par with etymotic though.

Do you need any isolation, if not, I'd recommend the MS-1 for this music. The reason for this is that the sound is more airy due to the open design.

What music do you listen to?

I guess computer screen wipes without any alcohol would do the job.

Here is another option: hf5. I really hope they'd fit in your pricing scheme, as IMO they are great IEMs. I prefer them over the RE0, because they have a thicker sound and they are very accurate. They have superb isolation, I dare to say unbeatable, but on the downside have a smaller soundstage...

You cannot compare apple and oranges. The k450 is a closed on-ear heaphone, with some decent SQ. Its very upfront and in your face, but in a different way than the grado sound (or to some extent the ms1s). Now if you want portable, sturdy, non-source dependent and good sounding headphones, get...

IE8 - for the soundstage and timber CX95 - because it was my first expensive IEM JH13 - sounds good with anything

IMHO, now you are just letting him off. I know he tries very hard, but the constant repetition is more than enough. Hence, this is not a low blow, merely a wake-up call on that there are other headphones, other people and a variety of different opinions here on head-fi.

Ultimately, I knew it would come down to this. Please stop Daniel. Thank You.

^^lol cracked me up. Back to topic, I really like the 13s but this just sounds like an advert.

@googleli, try printing JHXX on there, which makes others think that it is a prototype. This would be way cooler than either 16 or 13!

Apperantly the empty shell has the benefit of giving you tactile feedback, which enhances both your listening experience and your perception of the soundstage. I don't have a direct source for this, but I read it somewhere :P

Just the slight bass emphasis on the bass, which changes the overall sound presentation to get more of a 'feel' for the music. Rather than being better, the jh16 is a side step (from the general notion that ive gathered around here)

Very nice review, it seems that you have confirmed my suspicions towards the jh16. Also thanks 3X0 for all your input, meaning that I wont be tempted to get new iems :D

  Quote: I think it would be safer not to use alcohol, as it seems to react with the acrylic plastic in the long run. Take a look at this:  

Wait, I take back that it runs better from the tour than from the 3gs. It seriously lacks depth and bass when driven from the blackberry.

When I used my 13s for workout sessions, I rarely had trouble with sweat. It only becomes a problem when there is a loose seal, where the sweat can travel through. When that happened to me, I just wiped 'em off and didn't use them for the rest of the session.