[wizll]

Left it for a couple hours and came back and seems better now.

How do you find the fit on the S80's? I can't seem to get a good seal or comfortable fit.

So far, I've only switched over to the more standard black tips it came with over those gray things that were on it by default. It's ok. I have only had it for a few days, so honestly still experimenting with the fit. definitely did not just fit almost perfectly as the anbes 359 did for me.

 

[vstolpner]

So far, I've only switched over to the more standard black tips it came with over those gray things that were on it by default. It's ok. I have only had it for a few days, so honestly still experimenting with the fit. definitely did not just fit almost perfectly as the anbes 359 did for me.

Yeah, the Anbes 359 fit the best so far. The only issue I have with them is when I press the button on the right ear, the sound in that ear cuts out - I think it closes the sound port against the inside of my ear somehow. I did find that if I rotate the earbuds so the back sits against my ear as much as possible, this issue is reduced somewhat.

The mifo O5's and SoundPeats TrueFree have fit really well too. Guess just the S80's have a weird fit (for me at least)

 

[LajostheHun]

The S101 supports AptX but only reluctantly as it has a hit on battery life. I use it connected to my Mac by forcing it that way with confirmation that it is actually using the codec via the Bluetooth logs.

Aptx is much easier on the battery than AAC, since it is a much simpler codec. AAC will engage your CPU, while Aptx needs no computational power at all.

 

[LajostheHun]

But exactly what's wrong with the Sabbat? I've seen too many up and down impressions of it.

hollow mid range that can't even be fixed by heavy EQ. There many better choices for less than half of it's current price.

 

[chinmie]

@chinmie

According to the description on Aliexpress the Nillkin can handle multiple connections (Multipoint) at the same time (like the Jabra Elite 65t) in dual mode. I asked the seller and he confimed that too.

Is this really true? Can you connect two devices at the same time in stereo/dual mode?

it cannot connect in stereo like the Jabra does. it can only connect in mono each to one devices (like any standard BT5 realtek based TWS). the Jabra is unique in that because it can connect to two devices. other that the Bose, i don't know any other TWS that does that.

@chinmie

One more qustion regarding the Nillkin and their FIT ... I am wondering about that 'hook' thingie ... if that is useful or rather annoying ... I have trouble to make out how that is supposed to fit.

that hook is actually useful, because it cups the ears and creates anchor point, so that clicking the buttons won't jam them deeper inside the ears.

anyway, here's my day one review:

-the fit is great for me. it sits nicely like a CIEM, so the body also touches the ears and provide support.

-slim and sleek looking. the Mifo sits more flush on the ears, but the Mifo doesn't have air vents, so pushing it will create a discomforting vacuum. the Nillkin has air vents.

-because of the air vents, it doesn't create too much isolation. in fact, it only has minimal isolation, like the EX1000 and other open back IEMs. still isolate more than the Sabbat x12, but definitely less than others.

-it has button controls, and similar to sabbat in operation. triple click for volumes.
-the case is really small, but because of the lid design, two handed operation is necessary.
-the case can accommodate normal sized eartips and still charge. i use settled for Symbio peel on mine for now.

-the sound is similar to my ER4XR, which is a great surprise. the ER4XR has leaner midbass while the Nillkin has a slight thicker midbass. the Bass on the Nillkin is not boosted at all, similar to the ER4XR, and about the same level as the mids, but the extention really go deep, not cut off like the Mifo pro. treble is sparkly and bright like the ER4XR. soundstage is also similar: intimate player position while maintaining good soundstage/room size information. if the T1C is like listening to car stereo/movie theater, the Nillkin is like listening to monitor speaker up close. the speed/dynamic of the presentation is also snappy, fast and closer to BAs like ER4XR than the bloomy dynamic drivers of the T1C.. heck, it's even faster and clearer than the Earin M2, which is clearly uses BAs

-battery tested: i listened to it from 8PM, and it says battery low at around 2AM. i did listened in a low volume though that later hours.

this is definitely my new go to TWS

i don't know if the chrome T1 uses the same tech. i also found this, similar to the Nillkin and chrome T1 in shape:

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32955906832.html

the chrome and Nillkin is much more similar though

 

[LajostheHun]

Hi I'm just started to join the forums because of my interest in the TWS. After read and watch here and there and my curiosity I decided to buy both Sabbat E12 and Mifo o5 BA.

When receiveng the package both of them feel premium start from the unboxing.

Case:
The Mifo definitely feel more solid, but for an ease of open and closing the case Sabbat is the winner plus the usb type C.

The IEM's (amateur listener) and I'm using Huawei P30pro and listen using Spotify:

Sabbat E12
-Connect easily and I don't get any problems of connection
-The bass feel so punchy, mid is soso, and the high also good and bright.
-Sometimes the bass is overwhelming in some music

Mifo o5:
-Connect easily no problem
-Imo the button is not as hard to press or find as a lot of people said.
-Bass is enough, but I don't feel the BA driver superior in this tws. Not as bright as I expect and the characteristic of mifo kinda flat. After using the Sabbat I feel the mifo o5 like muffled maybe or is the character is warm.

I haven't tried other eartips that I get, just using the one which came from. I literally don't know which one is better Sabbat or the Mifo. I have interest in Astrotec S80 do you guys have opinion on that one? And also is the standard mifo with dynamic driver is better than the one with BA driver?

I found Mifo far superior to the E12, and I have the standard dynamic driver version. Once EQ'ed it's mid range[rich and warm] is the best of any TWS I tried so far [about 7 different ones many mentioned here on this thread]. Also the little filter to protect against ear wax blocks a lot of HF energy, so I removed it, highs sparkle now. Oh and the fact that I didn't even need to charge the case for about the month, is just tremendous that 2600mah battery goes a long way indeed.

 

[LajostheHun]

Interesting review on the Sabbat E12. This guy is really entertaining.

yup one of the reasons I bought it too. good video lousy TWS.

 

[chinmie]

I found Mifo far superior to the E12, and I have the standard dynamic driver version.

agreed

i also contemplating to remove the wax guard to release the treble potential, but i also think the mifo strength is the way it handles waterproofing, so i decided not to do it in the end. i have sold my mifo, but i still recommend it as one of the good TWS. i certainly won't recommend the Sabbat e12, unless the person really like abundant bass

 

[Bhelpoori]

Aptx is much easier on the battery than AAC, since it is a much simpler codec. AAC will engage your CPU, while Aptx needs no computational power at all.

The S101 uses a Qualcomm QCC3020 chip each side which has a low power audio codec which you can see on the data sheet at: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qcc30xx-series . I suspect you will find that both codecs use the same "Low power audio codec" block to do the decode. If you look at the public specs you will notice that consumption varies between 6mA and 7mA per side... I can't find anything publicly that defines that figure but I expect the 6mA quote for consumption is using SBC and/or AAC playback.

I can't find the battery life quote with lower AptX life in the S101 specs any longer (it was on Amazon.co.uk) but the Nuarls which use the same chip in a different package (QCC3026) in the specs have this quote "Continuous Playtime about 10hr（SBC/AAC）about 7hr（aptX)" (https://nuarl.com/en/nt01ax/#nt01ax__2col).

My tests on the S101 show the power consumption of AptX to be a lower hit than that but this is maybe due to other variables, but it is a measurable change of between 20-25%.

From all three sources, I think we can conclude that for the QCC3020/26 chip only, using AptX uses more power, something which may have nothing to do with codec complexity but chip implementation.

 

[webvan]

Seems like the successor to the WF-1000X, the WF-1000XM3, are about to drop at any time: http://thewalkmanblog.blogspot.com/2019/06/sony-wf-1000xm3-leaked-by-retailer.html

Hopefully this will have fixed the faults with the original model, but the tepid reviews on the 700 and 900 models have me worried. I owned the WI-1000X (neckbud model) for about a week but found the style cumbersome and the sound wasn't *quite* hi-fi. If the new model sounds anywhere near as good as that model it will be the best true wireless on the market.

Well it seems Sony could be releasing their new TWE before the QC5021 based models become available in the US/Europe ! I quite liked the sound of the WF-1000X so hopefully the M3 keeps that sound signature and improves on battery life, connection stability, ANC and form factor (not sticking out as obviously !).

 

[david8613]

yup I cant wait for the new sonys to become available. sony makes pretty awesome headphones. I have some gift cards from best buy, I will be picking up on day one. no more cheap chifi for me while this is on the horizon. this is the first tw in 2019 that I am excited about. those t8 where terrible! I gave them away after more use they were no where near the level of the anbes 359 for cheap chifi that is good sounding.

 

[BobJS]

So I just got back from my morning walk around the facility (for exercise ... desk job ... too easy to become a blob without programmed walks) with my trusty MW07. I found myself musing ... with all the $$ thrown away trying out cheap inexpensive wireless chi-fi offerings, I could have just stopped with the MW07. If power-on time is an issue (I've never run out of battery for my needs), heck, you could buy 2 MW07s to alternate between and call it a day.

But I get it. It's kind of like cheating on the love of your life with cheap, tawdry flings. But you always come home.

Umm... did I say that out loud?

 

[LajostheHun]

The S101 uses a Qualcomm QCC3020 chip each side which has a low power audio codec which you can see on the data sheet at: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qcc30xx-series . I suspect you will find that both codecs use the same "Low power audio codec" block to do the decode. If you look at the public specs you will notice that consumption varies between 6mA and 7mA per side... I can't find anything publicly that defines that figure but I expect the 6mA quote for consumption is using SBC and/or AAC playback.

I can't find the battery life quote with lower AptX life in the S101 specs any longer (it was on Amazon.co.uk) but the Nuarls which use the same chip in a different package (QCC3026) in the specs have this quote "Continuous Playtime about 10hr（SBC/AAC）about 7hr（aptX)" (https://nuarl.com/en/nt01ax/#nt01ax__2col).

My tests on the S101 show the power consumption of AptX to be a lower hit than that but this is maybe due to other variables, but it is a measurable change of between 20-25%.

From all three sources, I think we can conclude that for the QCC3020/26 chip only, using AptX uses more power, something which may have nothing to do with codec complexity but chip implementation.

I was talking about mainly on the transmitting side, as AAC is far more complicated codec and needs much more computational power , but once that is done I suspect on the receiving end not much needs to be done other than a simple conversion to PCM and then to analog...

 

[RobinFood]

it cannot connect in stereo like the Jabra does. it can only connect in mono each to one devices (like any standard BT5 realtek based TWS). the Jabra is unique in that because it can connect to two devices. other that the Bose, i don't know any other TWS that does that.



that hook is actually useful, because it cups the ears and creates anchor point, so that clicking the buttons won't jam them deeper inside the ears.

anyway, here's my day one review:

-the fit is great for me. it sits nicely like a CIEM, so the body also touches the ears and provide support.

-slim and sleek looking. the Mifo sits more flush on the ears, but the Mifo doesn't have air vents, so pushing it will create a discomforting vacuum. the Nillkin has air vents.

-because of the air vents, it doesn't create too much isolation. in fact, it only has minimal isolation, like the EX1000 and other open back IEMs. still isolate more than the Sabbat x12, but definitely less than others.

-it has button controls, and similar to sabbat in operation. triple click for volumes.
-the case is really small, but because of the lid design, two handed operation is necessary.
-the case can accommodate normal sized eartips and still charge. i use settled for Symbio peel on mine for now.

-the sound is similar to my ER4XR, which is a great surprise. the ER4XR has leaner midbass while the Nillkin has a slight thicker midbass. the Bass on the Nillkin is not boosted at all, similar to the ER4XR, and about the same level as the mids, but the extention really go deep, not cut off like the Mifo pro. treble is sparkly and bright like the ER4XR. soundstage is also similar: intimate player position while maintaining good soundstage/room size information. if the T1C is like listening to car stereo/movie theater, the Nillkin is like listening to monitor speaker up close. the speed/dynamic of the presentation is also snappy, fast and closer to BAs like ER4XR than the bloomy dynamic drivers of the T1C.. heck, it's even faster and clearer than the Earin M2, which is clearly uses BAs

-battery tested: i listened to it from 8PM, and it says battery low at around 2AM. i did listened in a low volume though that later hours.

this is definitely my new go to TWS

i don't know if the chrome T1 uses the same tech. i also found this, similar to the Nillkin and chrome T1 in shape:

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32955906832.html

the chrome and Nillkin is much more similar though

Wow Chinmie, can you let me keep some money in my pockets? It sounds too good to be true, and here I am trying to save up for a smabat-bt20s combo!

 

[chinmie]

Wow Chinmie, can you let me keep some money in my pockets? It sounds too good to be true, and here I am trying to save up for a smabat-bt20s combo!

sorry, i used the ER4XR reference to drive people off, i forgot there's a fellow Etymotic guy here also

I'll be bringing it with me to japan next week, i hope there's a downtime in my vacation so we could meet up. I'll be in osaka from 6 to 8 of july