[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by salmon don´t rate speakers by material used, Lowther speakers are from paper too and are one of the best speakers in the world, JBL 4312 have drivers from paper too and are excelent.

So use very cheap material & charging 10X's the cost or more is ok with you..

 

[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice So use very cheap material & charging 10X's the cost or more is ok with you..

i'm going to have to concur that paper can actually be an ideal driver material, if implemented properly. whether bose implements it properly... well that's not for me to say, as i'm no EE.

 

[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by memepool sorry to bang on about this but I don't think this level of misinformation and ignorance is in keeping with this forum. There is NOTHING wrong with using paper for speakers. It's the oldest material and still one of the best. Tannoy Westminsters have paper drivers for Gods sake....

Foam is good too right? But somthing tells me Tanoy West sounds much better then the BOSE

 

[memepool]

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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice So use very cheap material & charging 10X's the cost or more is ok with you..

The cost of the materials is usually very low in most Hi-Fi equipment. This is further complicated by the scale on which it is manufactured. Most specialist Hi-Fi companies sell hundreds rather than thousands of units (if they are lucky) therefore the mark-up has to be higher in order to make ends meet.

This is why for instance the Technics SL1200 costs less than the Rega P3.

The cost of the components becomes a smaller consideration the more copies of anything you make.

 

[memepool]

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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice Foam is good too right? But somthing tells me Tanoy West sounds much better then the BOSE

I have a pair of JBL 4301's which use foam for the surrounds and foam rot is a well known issue with JBL's of a certain vintage but you don't see a JBL haters club around here do you?

There is nothing essentially wrong with what the advertising bumpf at the time would have probably called "using advanced composite materials" in speaker design.

I am sure JBL didn't realise that it would rot in 25 years because in the 1970's man made materials were all the rage.

Tannoy have probably stuck with waxed paper drivers since the 1930's because they are light and very fast which is important if you are going to make them 15" in diameter.

I don't think any of this is pertinent as to why people hate Bose and if it is then they are misinformed.

 

[salmon]

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So use very cheap material & charging 10X's the cost or more is ok with you..

If the speaker is good sounding, i don´t care what material is used. I like bose sound although bose products are overpriced. Produce good sounding speaker isn´t easy, some factories even haven´t ability produce good sounding speakers.

 

[milesbeyondjazz]

I think some Bose products are OK.I have often said and I"ll stick by it now,that their little 301 bookshelf is a nice soundinf little speaker,I demoed them when I was hunting for bookshelfs for my home theater setup.I got the Boston Acoustics CR77 instead.I thoght the Bostons had a little more clarity than the Bose speakers but it was a close call.

 

[music_man]

i have been thinking about something in regard to this thread for the past two days. it is time i feel to speak my mind about something.

bose is constantly bashed for not offering a product commensurate with what one pays.

if this is ever said about grado, they are vehemently defended here and elsewhere.

this in fact states the brillance of bose marketing! their products are not for the types that frequent boards such as this one. due to this bose is making one heck of a lot more money than mr. grado.

the reason grados products are defended when this issue comes up is due to the fact that such a small company actually did put so much money into r&d that the final product offered becomes the sum of $20 worth of parts.

bose has in effect done relatively the opposite in regard to design of their product. this option was available to them simply because they are a much larger company with much greater capital. of course this has yielded them considerably more financial reward than grado will ever see most likely.

in fact companies such as bose may well indeed still be in bussiness long after the "audiophile" companies all go the way of the dinosaur. today, the vast majority of consumers are going to fit bose' demographic and not that of any "audiophile" company.

most purchasers of bose products are quite happy with them. an intresting aside, the average bose product's parts vastly exceed the cost of what is inside of any grado product. bose r&d has remained stedfast for some 25 years now. it is a large scale operation and therefore can offer much more value(yes, value) than the product offerings of tiny corporations.

all of this bose bashing is based solely on emotion and not on solid economic reasoning.

should you hate bose because they are successfull capitalists?
do so if you wish.
they in fact do not care about you. nor do they need you as a customer!
their computer software or bean counters find you(bashers) to be out of their demographic and as a successfull company they will not try in any way to "win you over". it is simply more fiscally lucrative for them just to market to their intended demographic and stick with it. it has paid off immensely for the bottom line of any such large company.

bose is in fact a darn good lesson in economics.
regardless of what their actual product offers to a consumer.
they could just as well sell to the public paper airplanes.

the type of person that hates this type of economics is most likely someone whom will never be able to afford the true audiophile equipment he/she pits against bose anyhow.
please keep that in mind.

music_man

 

[A.Thorsen]

Simpl answer, and you can punch Bose into any search engine and lose hours reading up on this:

Bose's product quality is...inconsistent, to put it kindly.

They can put out some decent products and they have a nice niche.

The key problem is: Bose products are criminally and insanely overpriced, in general.

The simple fact of the matter is: You can do a lot better for a lot less if you steer clear of Bose.

 

[chesebert]

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Originally Posted by music_man i have been thinking about something in regard to this thread for the past two days. it is time i feel to speak my mind about something. bose is constantly bashed for not offering a product commensurate with what one pays. if this is ever said about grado, they are vehemently defended here and elsewhere. this in fact states the brillance of bose marketing! their products are not for the types that frequent boards such as this one. due to this bose is making one heck of a lot more money than mr. grado. the reason grados products are defended when this issue comes up is due to the fact that such a small company actually did put so much money into r&d that the final product offered becomes the sum of $20 worth of parts. bose has in effect done relatively the opposite in regard to design of their product. this option was available to them simply because they are a much larger company with much greater capital. of course this has yielded them considerably more financial reward than grado will ever see most likely. in fact companies such as bose may well indeed still be in bussiness long after the "audiophile" companies all go the way of the dinosaur. today, the vast majority of consumers are going to fit bose' demographic and not that of any "audiophile" company. most purchasers of bose products are quite happy with them. an intresting aside, the average bose product's parts vastly exceed the cost of what is inside of any grado product. bose r&d has remained stedfast for some 25 years now. it is a large scale operation and therefore can offer much more value(yes, value) than the product offerings of tiny corporations. all of this bose bashing is based solely on emotion and not on solid economic reasoning. should you hate bose because they are successfull capitalists? do so if you wish. they in fact do not care about you. nor do they need you as a customer! their computer software or bean counters find you(bashers) to be out of their demographic and as a successfull company they will not try in any way to "win you over". it is simply more fiscally lucrative for them just to market to their intended demographic and stick with it. it has paid off immensely for the bottom line of any such large company. bose is in fact a darn good lesson in economics. regardless of what their actual product offers to a consumer. they could just as well sell to the public paper airplanes. the type of person that hates this type of economics is most likely someone whom will never be able to afford the true audiophile equipment he/she pits against bose anyhow. please keep that in mind. music_man

you work for bose or affliated with bose in any fashion? Are you a virual marketer paid by Bose to troll this site? Are you paid in any way by any audio company? Are you looking to be paid or associated with Bose? Is the company or companies you work for or work with have any association with bose or is looking to effec such a relationship?

Thanks

 

[A.Thorsen]

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Originally Posted by chesebert you work for bose or affliated with bose in any fashion? Are you a virual marketer paid by Bose to troll this site? Are you paid in any way by any audio company? Are you looking to be paid or associated with Bose? Is the company or companies you work for or work with have any association with bose or is looking to effec such a relationship? Thanks

Heh, wouldn't surprise me if he was.

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...=13854&page=17

Look at post 330 in that thread.

I wonder about that guy as well.

What's with all the Bose BS around here, in general, lately?

 

[memepool]

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Originally Posted by music_man all of this bose bashing is based solely on emotion and not on solid economic reasoning.

I quite agree and the sentence still stands without the word 'economic'. It's about as rational as some kind of audiophile witchhunt. I would half expect to attend a Head-Fi meet and see a bunch of hooded audiophiles flagellating themselves with Transparent Opus cable dancing naked around a pile of burning acoustimass pods.

 

[mrarroyo]

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Originally Posted by music_man i have been thinking about something in regard to this thread for the past two days. it is time i feel to speak my mind about something. bose is constantly bashed for not offering a product commensurate with what one pays. if this is ever said about grado, they are vehemently defended here and elsewhere. this in fact states the brillance of bose marketing! their products are not for the types that frequent boards such as this one. due to this bose is making one heck of a lot more money than mr. grado. the reason grados products are defended when this issue comes up is due to the fact that such a small company actually did put so much money into r&d that the final product offered becomes the sum of $20 worth of parts. bose has in effect done relatively the opposite in regard to design of their product. this option was available to them simply because they are a much larger company with much greater capital. of course this has yielded them considerably more financial reward than grado will ever see most likely. in fact companies such as bose may well indeed still be in bussiness long after the "audiophile" companies all go the way of the dinosaur. today, the vast majority of consumers are going to fit bose' demographic and not that of any "audiophile" company. most purchasers of bose products are quite happy with them. an intresting aside, the average bose product's parts vastly exceed the cost of what is inside of any grado product. bose r&d has remained stedfast for some 25 years now. it is a large scale operation and therefore can offer much more value(yes, value) than the product offerings of tiny corporations. all of this bose bashing is based solely on emotion and not on solid economic reasoning. should you hate bose because they are successfull capitalists? do so if you wish. they in fact do not care about you. nor do they need you as a customer! their computer software or bean counters find you(bashers) to be out of their demographic and as a successfull company they will not try in any way to "win you over". it is simply more fiscally lucrative for them just to market to their intended demographic and stick with it. it has paid off immensely for the bottom line of any such large company. bose is in fact a darn good lesson in economics. regardless of what their actual product offers to a consumer. they could just as well sell to the public paper airplanes. the type of person that hates this type of economics is most likely someone whom will never be able to afford the true audiophile equipment he/she pits against bose anyhow. please keep that in mind. music_man

I have to agree with you. Overall Bose is laughing all the way to the bank and their customers are very satisfied/happy over the equipment they purchased. I have Bose 301, yes I admit it. I got them while working overseas for a "temporary assigment" which turned int 5.8 years of my life. They are now 9 years old and I use them as my "rear" speakers in my surround sound system.

I think they sound fine and are perfect for the intended use. Are they the best? No, but they are not the worst either.

By the way, I will continue using them for as long as they last.

 

[Computerpro3]

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the average bose product's parts vastly exceed the cost of what is inside of any grado product

Um, no. Don't see any rare mahogany Bose cans.

 

[Blitzula]

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Originally Posted by chesebert you work for bose or affliated with bose in any fashion? Are you a virual marketer paid by Bose to troll this site? Are you paid in any way by any audio company? Are you looking to be paid or associated with Bose? Is the company or companies you work for or work with have any association with bose or is looking to effec such a relationship? Thanks

You completely missed the point and confirmed the emotion arguement.

Let me summarize what the post said:

1. Bose is very well-marketed and approached profitability in an intelligent manner.
2. The marketing isn't directed toward audiophiles (and as such they aren't much concerned with them). However, they have been hugely successful as a mass market product (mind you, this isn't saying it's a good product).

For that, you question whether he works for Bose and all that other stuff. Very weak counter to a valid post.