Willakan
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In what way are nick_charles' attempts a failure? Because they didn't show differences that any sane person would expect to be audible?
The RMAA point I have already responded to by pointing out the tests I was referring to did not use RMAA, but you saw fit to ignore that.
The documentation on the receiver chip almost certainly is not BS - the device no doubt does have very low jitter measurements. However, all the objective evidence I have seen (excluding people on forums declaring they heard it - people declare they hear differences between "CD Mats") suggests that jitter is generally not a problem.
"Real world experience" is great, assuming it wasn't sighted and was properly volume matched.
Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence of anything. I can find reports suggesting prettymuch anything about anything in the world of hi-fi - did you know the DACmagic is both bright and warm?
No-one is denying measurable differences between opamps. Relating those differences to what was heard under sighted, highly bias-prone listening conditions is not good science and will never be good science. Also, didn't you have a go at me earlier for presenting the opinions of others of repute to try to persuade you? Pot,kettle, ect...
As I have previously said, the fact you believe that the fact I haven't heard the opamps involved causes you to disregard my opinions, whilst the fact that you believe what you heard to be of any import whatsoever, it not being done under suitable conditions, causes me to regard what you say with an industrial-sized pinch of salt. It is difficult to see how we can come to an understanding from this position.
TL;DR: "Real world experience" as you describe it is highly bias-prone and generally unreliable. Measuring equipment of a good standard is generally not. It is highly unlikely we will ever agree on anything.
The RMAA point I have already responded to by pointing out the tests I was referring to did not use RMAA, but you saw fit to ignore that.
The documentation on the receiver chip almost certainly is not BS - the device no doubt does have very low jitter measurements. However, all the objective evidence I have seen (excluding people on forums declaring they heard it - people declare they hear differences between "CD Mats") suggests that jitter is generally not a problem.
"Real world experience" is great, assuming it wasn't sighted and was properly volume matched.
Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence of anything. I can find reports suggesting prettymuch anything about anything in the world of hi-fi - did you know the DACmagic is both bright and warm?
No-one is denying measurable differences between opamps. Relating those differences to what was heard under sighted, highly bias-prone listening conditions is not good science and will never be good science. Also, didn't you have a go at me earlier for presenting the opinions of others of repute to try to persuade you? Pot,kettle, ect...
As I have previously said, the fact you believe that the fact I haven't heard the opamps involved causes you to disregard my opinions, whilst the fact that you believe what you heard to be of any import whatsoever, it not being done under suitable conditions, causes me to regard what you say with an industrial-sized pinch of salt. It is difficult to see how we can come to an understanding from this position.
TL;DR: "Real world experience" as you describe it is highly bias-prone and generally unreliable. Measuring equipment of a good standard is generally not. It is highly unlikely we will ever agree on anything.