[GuyMe]

You'd have people using a plexiglass wall as a weapon, which arguably perverts the sport more than the occasional holding.

 

[laxx]

So Rampage vs Griffin this coming Saturday... Lets start this thread up again.

 

[Kirosia]

Spiderman will swoop in the first round and catch rampage in a flying armbar.

 

[Cousin Patty]

Im so psyched about saturdays fight. I dont even know who Im rooting for. I like both those guys. If I had to make a prediction, I say rampage wins by TKO in the 2nd round.

 

[GuyMe]

Forrest is supposedly training with Wand so I think he has a good shot. I want Forrest to win mainly because that sets up Wand V Rampage III.

 

[funniecow]

Rampage should win, if his heavy fists land. Isn't it kind of shocking that rampage is even in the same weight class as griffin?

 

[DarkAngel]

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Originally Posted by laxx /img/forum/go_quote.gif So Rampage vs Griffin this coming Saturday... Lets start this thread up again.

6 months ago I would have said Rampage without question........but with Griffin beating Shogun his last fight I have to rethink things, talking points:

- Shogun beat Rampage badly in Pride match
- I think Shogun was married right before the Griffin fight, so he may not have trained as hard as needed
-Rampage has been very impressive last two fights vs Liddell & Henderson who were at the top of thier game

I would not be surprised if Griffin won but I will take Rampage.
Griffin should try to take Rampage to the ground and not slug it out standing up even with his reach advantage.

 

[Mr. Tadashi]

I am going to take Rampage to win. Since he teamed up with Juanito Ibara he looks better than before.

 

[EyeAmEye]

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Originally Posted by DarkAngel /img/forum/go_quote.gif 6 months ago I would have said Rampage without question........but with Griffin beating Shogun his last fight I have to rethink things, talking points: - Shogun beat Rampage badly twice in Pride - I think Shogun was married right before the Griffin fight, so he may not have trained as hard as needed -Rampage has been very impressive last two fights vs Liddell & Henderson who were at the top of thier game I would not be surprised if Griffin won but I will take Rampage. Griffin should try to take Rampage to the ground and not slug it out standing up even with his reach advantage.

Really doesn't mean much about Shogun beating Rampage. Wand beat Rampage pretty bad twice, then got beat by Chuck, and look what happened to Chuck in both fights against Rampage?

Even though Forrest is tough as nails, I think Rampage may be more than he can handle at this point. I'd have to pick Rampage.

 

[laxx]

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Originally Posted by DarkAngel /img/forum/go_quote.gif 6 months ago I would have said Rampage without question........but with Griffin beating Shogun his last fight I have to rethink things, talking points: - Shogun beat Rampage badly twice in Pride - I think Shogun was married right before the Griffin fight, so he may not have trained as hard as needed -Rampage has been very impressive last two fights vs Liddell & Henderson who were at the top of thier game I would not be surprised if Griffin won but I will take Rampage. Griffin should try to take Rampage to the ground and not slug it out standing up even with his reach advantage.

I agree that I'd take Rampage as well, but there are some points I'm not sure about.

I feel the Rampage that Shogun beat isn't the Rampage we see today. One of their fights was somewhat rushed, so Rampage didn't get to fully recover/train.

Shogun just looked horrible the last fight against Griffin, so I don't think it says much. I don't think it holds any weight at all. =T Shogun looked that bad. That I don't see Shogun going far in UFC. The rules are dramatically different than Pride, and I don't see Shogun adapting.

 

[GuyMe]

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Originally Posted by EyeAmEye /img/forum/go_quote.gif Really doesn't mean much about Shogun beating Rampage. Wand beat Rampage pretty bad twice, then got beat by Chuck, and look what happened to Chuck in both fights against Rampage?

This sort of reasoning doesn't work. Jardine beat Chuck, Wand lost to Chuck, Wand beat Jardine, so what? Shogun and Wand also fought with new camps for their debuts, that's a big factor I suspect. It comes down more to gameplan and the style matchup, not their record.

Shogun's in his early 20s isn't he? Plenty of time to adapt.

 

[DarkAngel]

I also think Shogun can "adapt" to UFC style since his ground game is very solid unlike Pride fighters like CroCop who have trouble with ground n pound

Anderson Silva is the prototype UFC fighter, such a balanced skill set, hard to see anyone now who can beat him currently......other fighters should take note and adapt

 

[Cousin Patty]

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Originally Posted by DarkAngel /img/forum/go_quote.gif I also think Shogun can "adapt" to UFC style since his ground game is very solid unlike Pride fighters like CroCop who have trouble with ground n pound Anderson Silva is the prototype UFC fighter, such a balanced skill set, hard to see anyone now who can beat him currently......other fighters should take note and adapt

Anderson Silva is insane. Someone has to do superhuman **** like a scissor take down into a submission to beat him. As of right now, conventional methods just dont work against him. He's too accurate and ruthless with punches, knees, etc. I think its going to be a while before anyone can give him a solid beating.

 

[robm321]

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Originally Posted by Cousin Patty /img/forum/go_quote.gif Anderson Silva is insane. Someone has to do superhuman **** like a scissor take down into a submission to beat him. As of right now, conventional methods just dont work against him. He's too accurate and ruthless with punches, knees, etc. I think its going to be a while before anyone can give him a solid beating.

Agreed - nothing short of shooting him would work. He has no weeknesses.

 

[MikoLayer]

It is not too unreasonable to argue that Rampage was winning the fight in the first round of his clash against wand for the second time; the bell saved wand, and then the tie clinch came along that Rampage was not properly trained to guard against.

Rampage in his past two fights seems to be in much better shape, he already has had good wrestling skills and excellent boxing.

What I do wonder is whether he has shown any improvement in his defense against tie clinch in those fights. Sure he looked great but we are yet to see if he really patched up the holes in his game.

I like both fighters, but the only thing I see Griffin has over Rampage is cardio, and Rampage is no slouch at that either. It would come off as a moderate surprise to me if Griffin comes up with a victory.