[Hooster]

The matter is not howmuch, but the matter is "the additional". Hence you are hearing and observing Very fine and subtles changes, and not 30% improvements....no... the problem is that these variations do affect sound performances. End of story. Whether you go for it, spend money on it, or you don't....that is your decision

Again, ask those who have TA and upgraded powercables, they will tell you how it effect the sounds. Further debates into science is supposed to be in science forum

 
I wasn't asking about this to be a pain. I just think you are barking up the wrong tree. I suspect that the differences people perceive between power cords have a lot more to do with the cord's ability to filter and isolate noise and interference than with any negligible voltage drop.

 

[Whitigir]

I wasn't asking about this to be a pain. I just think you are barking up the wrong tree. I suspect that the differences people perceive between power cords have a lot more to do with the cord's ability to filter and isolate noise and interference than with any negligible voltage drop.

That too, as everything will affect the sound performances

 

[Daroid]

Learning from the book is not an observation.....experiences new things and pay attentions is "an observation"

 
I agree with this, but the problem with some audiophiles is that they never take it to the next step: Verification of their observations by objective measurements methods or at least removal of bias by blind-tests. That's what personally would help me in selecting the right equipment in a jungle of products that all look good (not just talking cables).
 
I did not quote the former of your post, since I think the discussion leads to no where, as Hooster already tried to explain it.

 

[TSAVJason]

The matter is not howmuch, but the matter is "the additional". Hence you are hearing and observing Very fine and subtles changes, and not 30% improvements....no... the problem is that these variations do affect sound performances. End of story. Whether you go for it, spend money on it, or you don't....that is your decision

Again, ask those who have TA and upgraded powercables, they will tell you how it effect the sounds. Further debates into science is supposed to be in science forum

The upgraded AC power cable doesn't have to super high priced. It simply needs to be more copper than the 80 cent cable it comes with. I'd suggest the Isoteck Green EVO. It's about $100 and will change for the better the performance of the ES amplifier dramatically. I know you'll ask what will improve so here is your answer. Dynamics and consistency in output.

 

[Whitigir]

The upgraded AC power cable doesn't have to super high priced. It simply needs to be more copper than the 80 cent cable it comes with. I'd suggest the Isoteck Green EVO. It's about $100 and will change for the better the performance of the ES amplifier dramatically. I know you'll ask what will improve so here is your answer. Dynamics and consistency in output.

You are totally correct Jason, as I have stated this for many posts already . Even audio quest Powercord will do as well

 

[TSAVJason]

You are totally correct Jason, as I have stated this for many posts already . Even audio quest Powercord will do as well

Yeah well the problem is we've both said it and the haters keep hating that we say it. Hahahaha

 

[buzzlulu]

 It simply needs to be more copper than the 80 cent cable it comes with.

 
Exactly.  More copper = more juice
That is what it really is all about
 
In my two channel world many of us have our electricians do a direct home run of heavy cable directly from the circuit panel where the electricity enters the house to a pair of dedicated hospital grade outlets (or the like) located in the listening room.
Direct flow of juice - and other things in the house (refrigerators, electronics with switched mode PS's) are not polluting that supply run

 

[Whitigir]

Polluting supply from your appliances are unavoidable ...unless you run a Balanced supply unit for your main house. It cost around $50k for just the box....without installations.

Basically while it transform and split the electric, it will also filter the noises because the fluctuations is minimized

But hey, it is still better than buying a direct line from your utility company

 

[TSAVJason]

Polluting supply from your appliances are unavoidable ...unless you run a Balanced supply unit for your main house. It cost around $50k for just the box....without installations.

Basically while it transform and split the electric, it will also filter the noises because the fluctuations is minimized

But hey, it is still better than buying a direct line from your utility company

Well a dedicated circuit is always perferred and wherever possible power conditioning is also very advantageous.

 

[Whitigir]

Here, is the devices I am talking about. Stereophile loves it for their hundred of thousands dollar setup

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/equitech/1.html

Well a dedicated circuit is always perferred and wherever possible power conditioning is also very advantageous.

Yes, the only main thing about power conditioner is that it actually may negatively affect your performances

 

[buzzlulu]

Yes, the only main thing about power conditioner is that it actually may negatively affect your performances

 
Agreed - In Naim world any power conditioning is a NO NO.  The old NANA (Naim Audio US Importer) developed a reasonably priced power strip with Wiremold where they instructed them to remove EVERYTHING - no surge protectors etc. NOTHING
 
Check out what my friend and some former Naim guys are doing now - reasonably priced power strip and power cables.  Actually just very successfully reviewed in Stereophile
 
https://www.avoptions.com

 

[TSAVJason]

Agreed - In Naim world any power conditioning is a NO NO.  The old NANA (Naim Audio US Importer) developed a reasonably priced power strip with Wiremold where they instructed them to remove EVERYTHING - no surge protectors etc. NOTHING

Check out what my friend and some former Naim guys are doing now - reasonably priced power strip and power cables.  Actually just very successfully reviewed in Stereophile

https://www.avoptions.com

At Naim constricted power conditioning is a no no. They actually agree with proper conditioning that doesn't choke the current

 

[TSAVJason]

Here, is the devices I am talking about. Stereophile loves it for their hundred of thousands dollar setup

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/equitech/1.html
Yes, the only main thing about power conditioner is that it actually may negatively affect your performances

No doubt! Many power conditioners are detrimental to any audio/video system but not all manufacturers make cheesy conditioners

 

[Daroid]

Yeah well the problem is we've both said it and the haters keep hating that we say it. Hahahaha

 
I don't know Head-fi's policy of debating with sponsors, but it's probably not wise to start an argument, so I didn't and I don't want to. So I just wanted to say that your posts (or any other posts) don't make me hate you or anyone in the least.

My take on this remains written in bold in the post above your previous post. But no matter what, I think $100 is much more reasonable no matter what this effect the cable has compared to what you can find out there.
 
OT: My order that I place for the ZH1 has unfortunately been put for "awaiting stock". Won't have it before about the 21st of this month. Oh well, waiting sucks!

 

[buzzlulu]

   
But no matter what, I think $100 is much more reasonable no matter what this effect the cable has compared to what you can find out there.
 
 

 
Reasonable prices are in the eye of the beholder.  Someone's Z1R at $2300 is considered unreasonable compared to a Sennheiser 650 at $400
 
Someone who spends $2300 on the Z1R considers someone who buys the Utopia at $4000 unreasonable - yet the Sennheiser guy thinks the Z1R guy is nuts
 
When it comes to cables there is a massive range of prices and one must be diligent to differentiate real performance products from SnakeOil.  In terms of measurability there are certain aspects of cable design which are measurable - others are not and that is where blind tests come in.
I come from a two channel world so I can tell you prices are ALL over the board.  I can also tell you that some of the top cables TRULY do what it says on the tin.  You should check out a UK company called Chord Cables - they are in the UK.  They have a range of interconnects and speaker cables which can range from 500gbp to 5000gbp (for a 1 meter interconnect).  They are an illustrious company in business for many years and are continually pushing the envelope.  I have owned and demoed most of their products - and have demoed extensively with other two channel friends.  It is VERY easy to hear the differences and improvements made by their cables - in blind tests with a number of people sitting in.
 
The TRUE cable companies are the ones who consistently prove, through demo, that their products are what they claim them to be.
It is then up to the end consumer to decide what price point he is comfortable with.