STAX SIGMAS COMPARED, LOW BIAS, SIGMA PRO AND SIGMA/404
May 12, 2011 at 2:45 PM Post #121 of 149
Sounds nice,
I think about the conversion, too.
By the way I was on audiogon today and there tries someone to sell a Sigma Pro (updated) for 2500 Dollar!!!
Are people getiing crazy?
 
Regards Georg
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 5:04 AM Post #124 of 149
Taking yet another for the team - bought a Sigma Pro to nestle beside the Sigma/404. Should be very interesting to compare them myself. 
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 1:22 PM Post #125 of 149
That's the comparison I've been waiting for. I've read numerous comparisons of each, but not side by side. I loved the sigma normals I use to have(once I got them working right). I just found the highs a little to bright and the bass just a tad too boomy. But the things they did well, they did exceptionally well. More fun than the 407, but the 407 is just a more balanced and accurate can which is why I sold the sigmas. But I really miss them and would try to scoop up a pair of pros or sigmas with 404 drivers, if I ever find a pair that's not going for an inflated price. The few pros I've seen over that last year has been listed for o2 type money.
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 1:57 PM Post #126 of 149
My Sigma Pro is now a Sigma/404. It took me some time to decide  about converting the Pro or Normal bias, and eventually the Pro went to England for surgery.
I am quite happy with my Sigma/404, and have not used my normal bias Sigma in a while, but it is "comforting" to have a "spare set".
Eventually I'll buy the 007, but for the time being, very satisfied with the 2 Sigmas I have. 
The Sigma sound is not for everybody, but for many of us who enjoy them, it is close to the best.
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 4:51 PM Post #127 of 149
I sold my 007 Mk 1 instead of the Sigma/404. Nothing touches the midrange and sibilance lack of a Sigma/404 - NOTHING. It does piano like no other phone - gets the tone, attack and dynamics perfectly, and that's on an SRM-Monitor. Imagine on a T2 or a BHSE??!!. Finally found a Sigma Pro that wasn't going for more than $1000 (or $2000 gulp), so thought I'd spend that tax refund wisely.
Moodyrn, I've never ever heard a Sigma normal bias with bright treble. My 2 versions were very dull. Must be the only one ever made. Boomy bass, yes. The Sigma/404 has far more treble energy than the Sigma Normal, so if you found the Sigma Normal bright, don't even think about the Sigma/404. The 404 conversion was specifically sought to try and repair the droopy high frequency response, after chatting to the pioneer of commissioning these conversions, Edstrelow. 
Gilency, the Sigma/404 sound is more accurate than the Normal, but it's still too fat on the bottom end to be neutral, and has a very low bass roll-off. But those Sigma/404 phones......while the Lambda Nova Signatures are as cool as a cucumber, the Sigma/404 is sweaty, smiling and happy. A very involving phone.
We'll see what the Sigma Pro is like.
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 5:06 PM Post #128 of 149
When I say a tad bright, didn't mean they were a bright headphone like the lambda sigs. They're not that bright. But just a tad brighter than being flat. The 407s are just about right with details galore. But I'm looking forward to your impressions.
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 8:32 PM Post #129 of 149
I heard from the US Distributor today and no 404 conversions are to be had nor are Sigma parts.
So, where can I get the 404 diaphragms for my Sigma Pros?
The Pros sounded really dead after 10 years in storage but have come back to life after a few hours of use which is a good thing.
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM Post #130 of 149
Has anyone pulled apart an SR-407 yet? I'm guessing that the the drivers would be constructed like the 404 and should be compatible. The 507 isn't. Other options are to buy an older Signature, Lambda Nova Signature, 303 or 404 and do/commission a transplant. You might as well transplant the newer cord also.
Re:coming to life with listening for a while - I'm sure it's ears adapting to the sound of the phone. Something to remember when doing quick comparisons. You start to hear into the sound, rather than "it's too bright/dull". My biggest revelation with the Sigma/404 was how accurately it reproduced piano, compared with a live performance, a Lambda Nova Signature and an SR-007 Mk1, the latter two I own or owned.
PS I run mine via a lowly SRD-7 modified with the Spritzer Pro board from a Studer amp and it sounds great. 
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 11:03 PM Post #131 of 149
The 407 and 507 share the same drivers and the same problems converting them to sigmas. There's a person in another thread that constructed his own sigma shell and used 407 drivers which required major surgery. It's not easy like with the older lambda drivers since the drivers are not simply glued to the shells like the others.
 
Aug 29, 2011 at 11:23 PM Post #132 of 149
Mark did a great job with my conversion, but I don't know if he would do another one.
You could ask him:
service@highendworkshop.co.uk
I asked if he could use a 407 or 507 and although he did not have any spare drivers, he mentioned they were not compatible.

 
Sep 1, 2011 at 2:23 PM Post #133 of 149
Hello Sigma listeners,
 
lately I thought about a conversion of one of my Sigmas to 404. Are there other technicians who do that job?
Any experience?
 
Lately I used the SRM t1 one amp. It's really nice. I also like the SRM-Monitor. I sometimes try the difusse field equalizer after John recommended me to do so.
 
Regards Georg
 
Sep 6, 2011 at 2:06 AM Post #134 of 149
A revamped Sigma epistle......
 
 
The Stax Sigma series panoramic earspeakers.
1. Models and nomenclature
The Stax SR-Sigma panoramic earspeaker was introduced in 1977. There have been 3 versions officially released and 1 after-market version commissioned.
  • The original low bias, grey grilled 1977 Sigma model (bias voltage of this model being 230V or “Normal”). The driver used was later recycled in the very successful Stax Lambda Semi-Panoramic earspeaker. The first release Sigma had a fabric coated, round bodied cord that connected the earspeaker to its amplifier/transformer.
  • Later versions of the normal bias Sigma (1987) used a lower capacitance, flat black cable that was recycled back from the (then) current Stax SR-Lambda earspeaker.
  • The later Sigma Professional (1987) version introduced the 580V Professional driver then used in the Stax SR-Signature earspeaker, as well as the wider cable. This earspeaker had black grilles and a chocolate coloured headband, compared with the original black cables and headband.
  •  A later version, the Sigma/404, was a Sigma rebuilt with high bias SR-404 drivers and their corresponding very low-capacitance cables.
 
2. History and conception.
The Sigma earspeaker design was the result of a complete reassessment of how headphone sound is perceived. Up until that point, listening to headphones or speakers were considered completely different experiences. Headphones were designed to inject sound directly into the ears with as much sound isolation as possible between channels and also from the external environment, reflecting their communications genealogy. The drivers were parallel to the pinnae (= ear flaps) and either intra-aural, circum-aural or supra-aural.
Speaker listening has the drivers at a great distance from the ear canals and sound produced has to traverse a great number of direct, reflected and partially absorptive pathways before arriving at the ear canal, allowing much more modification of the sound as well as left and right channel blending. The drivers are also in front of the listener and perpendicular to the plane of the pinnae.
Naotake Hayashi, the genius behind the original Stax company, decided that one of the differences between speaker and headphone listening was a result of that very isolation and direct aural injection inherent in the design of all prior headphones. He decided to make a headphone that would actually sound like listening to speakers in a partially reflective/absorptive room. The genius lay in his actual recreation of a room around each ear – a revolutionary concept that has never before or since been replicated. Each earcup was meant to approximate a partially absorptive and partially reflective series of surfaces for the headphone driver (now in front of each pinna and perpendicular to them, as per speaker listening) to bounce sound off and then into the ear canal. In other words, the direct injection principle was thrown out the window and now the drivers were only heard after firing sound into the ear canals via a reflection - and some absorption – from an internal lining of mineral wool. I am guessing that the ear speaker cages had to be constructed pervious to air, rather than designed with a solid body, for weight considerations (viz. a solid body construction would have been too heavy for comfortable wearing). Possibly there were also enclosed cavity effects to deal with if the headphones were sealed. Indeed, weight has been one of the main complaints levelled at the only enclosed Stax design, the Stax SR-4070 Monitor. The mineral wool lining of the cages, apart from reflecting and absorbing sound, much like a normal listening room, also provided some hermetic sealing of the cages allowing reduced front to back sound cancellation around the periphery of the drivers. In other words, the drivers could have bass (the lack of which has been a criticism of the relatively similar design AKG K1000), but not as much as if a solid body had been used. I am guessing that a solid body Sigma had been tried and discarded due to comfort and sound considerations, so a compromise between weight of the headphones and sound quality as well as bass extension was reached.
 
3. Comfort.
The Sigmas, although bulky and laughably unfashionable, have been engineered to be exceptionally comfortable on your head. It is literally easy to listen for hours without your pinnae contacting the metal inner grille of the drivers (Lambda series) or the earpads themselves (SR-007). The wide headpad and lower side pressure from the arc both contribute to this. The large internal volume allows your ears to remain cooler also.
 
4. Sound.
              a. Low bass and mid bass.
The sound of the Sigma always has slightly reduced very low bass because of some residual front-to-back driver cancellation through the mineral wool earcup lining, but beyond that point, the earspeaker’s sound is very hard to fault compared to what one is used to. The bass that is present, until the very low bass roll-off, is of excellent quality. Certainly there are no bass instruments that move back and forward in the soundfield, nor do they completely disappear as they descend the scale, as I heard with the Jecklin Float JS2 Electrostatics playing, for example, Tony Levin’s descending Stick run at the very start of Projekct One’s “Live At The Jazz Café” Track 3. On the Jecklins, Tony appears to walk out the studio door as the run descends to subterranean levels. On the Sigmas, he’s in the studio and hasn’t moved a muscle.
              b. Midrange.
The reproduction of vocals comes as close to free of sibilant emphasis as possible.  This is truly what you hear in live, unamplified music.  Particularly realistic are piano and voice – the smoothness of the sound is just as relaxing on replay as it is live. Indeed, after attending a piano and vocals concert in a relatively reverberant wooden hall, the Sigma/404s got the extreme dynamics of the piano and voices without any of the brightness at higher volumes that the Lambda Nova Signature and even the SR-007 Mk1 exhibited. This exquisite piano and vocal reproduction is unique to this headphone, in my opinion.
              c. Treble
The later substitution of the 580V “Professional” bias drivers (either the Lambda Signature or the Lambda 404 headphone driver) to replace the original “Normal” bias driver, along with an upgrade of the original headphone cable, allows a reduction in the marked high frequency roll-off and a flatter extension in the very bottom-end reproduction compared with the original low bias Sigma. In my opinion, there are no drawbacks to this modification whatsoever and the top end sounds both smooth and evident, rather than the smooth and rolled off response of the original Sigma.
              d. Correct volume level.
 The Sigma/404 really shines a light on just how successful Mr Hayashi’s earspeaker design concept really is. Another bonus I have noted with these earspeakers is that it seems to be relatively easy to dial up the “correct” volume of sound – they just sound “right” at that point. Although this is not unique for these phones, I haven’t heard a headphone with such a pronounced “correct” volume level for a track. The bass and treble just seem to be in perfect balance with the midrange only at that volume. Peter Walker of Quad was a great proponent of the “correct” volume theory apparently.
              e. 3-D sound.
Then there is the seemingly increased 3D space that these headphones portray – the sound stage seems to be actually in front of the head, with some front to back space, compared with the usual line-between-the-two-ears imaging. This is something I’m not as good at hearing, so I will leave it to others to give their impressions.
These differences allow greater appreciation of albums that were mixed for speakers in the standard control room, because that is exactly what the Sigmas replicate.  I would guess that apart from very low frequency roll-off, these earspeakers could be the greatest and most accurate magnifying glasses for mixing evaluation ever made.
 
5. Associated equipment needed.
I have found the SRD-7 Pro or SRD-7 Mk 2 will do an admirable job of driving these very power hungry monsters with a good power amp pushing them. If you wish to drive them with a direct drive electrostatic amp, I would suggest, at the very least, using any of Stax SRM-717/SRM-727/SRM-T2, Kevin Gilmore/Spritzer’s revamped T2 or the Blue Hawaii SE/Solid State Electrostatic amps. They are all powerful enough to drive these and the SR-007 Mk1/Mk2 series. The Lambda series are far less power hungry, despite using the same drivers as the Sigmas. Distance from the ears and absorption by the damping material may both account for these efficiency differences. The volume control levels for the Sigma/404 and SR-007 Mk1 I once owned were identical for the same reproduced volume – i.e. they seem to be equally inefficient compared with a Lambda Nova Signature.
 
6. Credits.
Finally, one has to admire a designer who actually truly said nay to any marketing considerations. These phones are laughably big and ugly, but if they were anything else, could they sound as good? Thank you, Mr Hayashi for not listening to the form-over-function number crunchers, and I bet there were plenty of those in Stax board meetings in 1976/1977
Lastly, I would like to thank Edstrelow for the inspiration to upgrade my Sigmas to Sigma/404s – something I did on faith and have never regretted it for a minute, and Webbie64 for making me realise the error of my ways when I briefly thought about selling them.
 
7. Postscript - Stax Sigmas high bias earspeakers compared – Pro vs Sigma/404.
The 2 Sigma high bias phones essentially differ in 2 main physical ways.
  • The headphone cable used for the original Sigma Pro was the same as the one used on the Lambda Signature – not as wide as the one used for the Sigma/404 hybrid, which were first seen on the Lambda Nova Signature and SR-Omega.
  • The drivers are different also – the Sigma Pro uses the reported 1 um Lambda Signature driver, whilst the Sigma/404 uses the (2 generations) later 1.35 um drivers first seen in the Lambda 404.
 
Otherwise, the shells of the 2 earspeakers, apart from minor colour variations, are identical. The Sigma Pro driver appears to be very slightly more efficient than that of the Sigma/404.
In my set up so far, the two have been compared through the Studer D730 -> Apogee Mini-DAC -> Audio Research LS5 Mk2 -> Studer A68 -> Spritzer Pro SRD-7 bias + transformer box.
As seems to be the order of the day, the results are not what I expected.  The Sigma Pro is far better than its reputation suggested and even bests the Sigma/404 in a couple of areas.
Firstly, the deep bass is slightly more evident and the mid bass is much tighter and slightly less resonant. In the Sigma Pro, bass drum has slightly more punch rather than smeared thud. This has been one of my only criticisms of the Sigma/404.
The midrange is about the same with both, but the treble is slightly more evident with the Sigma Pro. It’s close to a line call there, however.
As for dynamics – the Sigma Pro does dynamics somewhat better than the Sigma/404.  The Lambda Signature driver/cable just sounds a little faster than the 404 driver/cable. This tends to alleviate some of the complaints about a mushy low end of the Sigma series.
The original Sigma low bias was far too rolled off at the top end in particular, despite the magical Sigma midrange being present there. It appears that either the Signature or 404 driver and cable implants are a successful remedy to this, and give an earspeaker that had huge promise a push into reference territory.
In summary, despite every single report to the contrary, I’m loving it! Flame suit on, hearing aid batteries fully charged LOL. Stax SR-009? Who cares? :wink:
 
 

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