[yangian]

   
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MEE Audio Pinnacle P1 - one of the best $200 IEMs released this year IMO.

 About its sound signature, which is its most similar one, like HD600, 650, 598, IE800, 80, Philips X2, KEF M200, Havi B3 etc.?
About its soundstage, what do you think among IEMs?
Thank you.

 

[HiFiChris]

Sound signature-wise, the Pinnacle P1 does indeed show some similarities to the IE 800 (yeah, that was my first thought when I listened to the MEE for the first time).
To me, it sounds like a somewhat fuller, warmer version of the IE 800 with a forward but less sparkling/splashy upper treble and less sub-bass impact.

 

[yangian]

  Sound signature-wise, the Pinnacle P1 does indeed show some similarities to the IE 800 (yeah, that was my first thought when I listened to the MEE for the first time).
To me, it sounds like a somewhat fuller, warmer version of the IE 800 with a forward but less sparkling/splashy upper treble and less sub-bass impact.

​Oh, really! So it sounds P1 is more like IE80.

 

[HiFiChris]

 

 

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Sound signature-wise, the Pinnacle P1 does indeed show some similarities to the IE 800 (yeah, that was my first thought when I listened to the MEE for the first time).
To me, it sounds like a somewhat fuller, warmer version of the IE 800 with a forward but less sparkling/splashy upper treble and less sub-bass impact.

​Oh, really! So it sounds P1 is more like IE80.

 
Nah, (to me) the IE 80 is thicker, warmer and fuller sounding, has got noticeably less level in the lower as well as middle highs and is not really sparkling in the treble. In addition, the MEE is on a higher technical level than the IE 80 (but not as good as the IE 800, well, except for the soundstage that I find more authentic on the MEE).

 

[yangian]

   
Nah, (to me) the IE 80 is thicker, warmer and fuller sounding, has got noticeably less level in the lower as well as middle highs and is not really sparkling in the treble. In addition, the MEE is on a higher technical level than the IE 80 (but not as good as the IE 800, well, except for the soundstage that I find more authentic on the MEE).

Well, IE80 is a tricky phones. I think it's underestimated by many people. With proper amplified, it's still on high level​ compared to many new mid-tie products. That's why someone on 80's thread still like it even with possessing many high end IEMs/CIEMs.
Anyway, how about P1's soundstage compared to IE80?

 

[HiFiChris]

Well, the IE 80 has got a nice soundstage and relatively authentic sound but feeding some faster and more complex music to it, its weaknesses get revealed and and the sound loses its refinement and the sounstage collapses to some extent.
While it is not bad, there is (imho) quite a number of IEMs in the $100 to 200 range that are on the same or a higher level.
 
Just my 2 Euro-Cents of course. 

 

 

[yangian]

  Well, the IE 80 has got a nice soundstage and relatively authentic sound but feeding some faster and more complex music to it, its weaknesses get revealed and and the sound loses its refinement and the sounstage collapses to some extent.
While it is not bad, there is (imho) quite a number of IEMs in the $100 to 200 range that are on the same or a higher level.
 
Just my 2 Euro-Cents of course. 

 

Really? Well, I basically only listen to symphony, not always very fast but used to be ​complex. For example, for the last couple minites of the last movement of Beethoven's symphony 9, I compared with IE800, HD600, and I don't think any inability of IE80. I agree it's not one for fast music - which BAs are better,  but I'm not question its ability for complex music. But my experience is restricted to symphony/classical.
Thank you for exchange opinion.
 
BTW: do you have or heard KEF M200? I like its sound signature very very much. Do you know any phones, especially full headphones have similar sound signature? Thank you!

 

[HiFiChris]

@yangian
 
I find the IE 80 to work great for singer-songwriter stuff and small ensembles, but not really for any more serious listening for other types of music where it becomes somewhat too muddy and sluggish for my tastes. That's where I find the IE 800 to be much better and am very surprised about what they got out of the dynamic driver.
I actually quite like the IE 80 for acoustic, singer-songwriter and slower tracks, but not much for Classical, Rock, Electronical or Jazz.
 
Sorry, I haven't heard any KEF headphone so far.
 

 

[yangian]

  @yangian
 
I find the IE 80 to work great for singer-songwriter stuff and small ensembles, but not really for any more serious listening for other types of music where it becomes somewhat too muddy and sluggish for my tastes. That's where I find the IE 800 to be much better and am very surprised about what they got out of the dynamic driver.
I actually quite like the IE 80 for acoustic, singer-songwriter and slower tracks, but not much for Classical, Rock, Electronical or Jazz.
 
Sorry, I haven't heard any KEF headphone so far.
 

 
I can understand your feeling. Actually, IE80 is hard to drive well, tough it's easy to drive to a loud voice to hurt your ears. Finally, I set up a desktop system to drive it: Modi + A6:
https://world.taobao.com/item/44767737349.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.uOuNcl#detail
Now 80 shined up. Tamed low, neutralized a lot, even larger soundstage, and a huge step close to IE800. Well, it might make no sense to use it only before the desk as a headphone. Anyway, I think Senn. needs to release an classical IEMs like HD600 with a reasonable price.
Thank you

 

[Brooko]

 
 About its sound signature, which is its most similar one, like HD600, 650, 598, IE800, 80, Philips X2, KEF M200, Havi B3 etc.?
About its soundstage, what do you think among IEMs?
Thank you.

 
I think Chris described it pretty well.  It is closer to an HD650 signature than an HD600 or HD598.  Because of the acoustic cavity, it presents a fairly nice even and relatively spacious sound-stage (for an IEM).

 

[yangian]

   
I think Chris described it pretty well.  It is closer to an HD650 signature than an HD600 or HD598.  Because of the acoustic cavity, it presents a fairly nice even and relatively spacious sound-stage (for an IEM).

Ok, Isee. thank you!

 

[yangian]

   
Nah, (to me) the IE 80 is thicker, warmer and fuller sounding, has got noticeably less level in the lower as well as middle highs and is not really sparkling in the treble. In addition, the MEE is on a higher technical level than the IE 80 (but not as good as the IE 800, well, except for the soundstage that I find more authentic on the MEE).

 
Sorry, Chris, do you think soundstage of IE800 is not real or anything wrong? I think it has the best soundstage of all IEMs I;ve heard and its imaging is even better than HD600.

 

[audio123]

its not an airy and spacious type of soundstage

 

[yangian]

  its not an airy and spacious type of soundstage

 
You mean IE800? No, it's airy and spacious. Might be more spacious than IE80, at least on par.

 

[audio123]

   
You mean IE800? No, it's airy and spacious. Might be more spacious than IE80, at least on par.

personally i dont think its airy