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Feb 4, 2024 at 3:29 AM Post #138,496 of 153,391
Quick product question: I’ve been looking at upgrades over my Asgard 3 (just kicking tires at the moment) and I was wondering: any Asgard 3 owners who also have Lyr+…which one runs hotter? People say Asgard 3 runs hot but I feel more like it’s warm to the touch. Alsooooo, is the upgrade worth it from a price to performance standpoint (subjectively I mean for the sound not measurements)
I swapped my Asgard 3 for Lyr+ and I’d say Lyr+ is way better. I sold my Asgard and consider a second setup with Lyr+. As for heat, in my case it is about the same. They both are warm - but not too hot. My stuff stays on all the time.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 3:38 AM Post #138,497 of 153,391
Due to room width and the racking in front. There is a 12" next to theater viewing position and it is hooked to theater av when in home theater mode. I need a 10" up front in the 2 channel setup version. I want some extra bass when listening to music in 2 channel setup. Tyrs and Triangle Antal 40th anniversaries
Check the smaller REL in my signature. It’s a great little bugger and plays nice with music. Maybe too small for you with only 6,5 inch or so.
 
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Feb 4, 2024 at 4:18 AM Post #138,498 of 153,391
Given that the subs are powered why not drive them from a SE output from the preamp?
It can be done that way, but REL claims that using speaker output from the power amp allows better integration between the main speakers and subwoofers. The idea is that the signature of the power amp, including its nonlinear characteristics, would be sent to both the main speakers and subwoofers.

REL provide instructions to connect a stereo pair of subwoofers to monoblock balanced differential amps (such as Tyr):
https://rel.net/blog/2015-07-23/how...balanced-differential-class-d-monoblocks-amp/
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 5:40 AM Post #138,499 of 153,391
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Assembled.
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And we have audio!
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 5:47 AM Post #138,500 of 153,391
That looks very neat work. 👍
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 8:11 AM Post #138,501 of 153,391
I am in manufacturing, and my brother is a fresh tool and die engineer in plastics and it is very true - we "can't" find people to fill the open slots for the manufacturing site. He as a new coworker hired for polymer development and has related the coworker was expecting to do new material R&D, not existing material CI and QC work.

Yes, manufacturing engineering is rapidly becoming a lost art in the US. Sad.

I work in robotics automation. People ask me what kind I jobs they are taking. I tell them "vacant ones."

Caution, post approaches @ArmchairPhilosopher length.

When I announced plans to retire, my employer went into a mad scramble to find a replacement. Very few applicants for the test technician position made it to a final interview. "EE degree or commensurate experience" got mostly recent grads in network technology and that knowledge doesn't transfer to system-wide component level troubleshooting and repair. I really think someone from the DIY electronics community, even without a degree or work experience would have been a viable choice. At one time, the pool for this kind of work was deep and competitive. No institution even trains for it anymore.

We live in a world of (mostly) disposable goods. Smart phone goes bad? You might be able to get a cracked screen replaced, but no one's opening the case to trace out a bad signal with a scope. Throw out, replace. If one of my employer's units or boards went bad or had a manufacturing defect? Some boards were valued at used car prices, so they didn't get tossed in some bone pile to be pillaged for spare parts. Unless a user did something very very wrong and burned a massive hole through the board, it was repaired.

I often kidded that one of our units was engineered like an automobile; the mechanical design facilitated assembly and disregarded service. You might have to loosen two items to access something else. A lot of old audio equipment is built similarly. I drool over @Jason Stoddard's layouts: Usually a single board, logical component placement, and largely wire free. Different industries, different goals, different approaches.

Troubleshooting items that failed in the field requires a very different mindset than troubleshooting newly manufactured stuff. Solder bridges, miswires, and other manufacturing defects have already been located and repaired. Working on returned things means failed component(s) or electromechanical failure. No amount of AI is going to determine what's bad and robotics can't access or repair it since both depend on repeatability. AI will break down on first occurrence and mislead you afterwards. Robotics won't cover all the variables of repair. It seems no one wants a labor and logic intensive job, but silicon can't do it either.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 8:47 AM Post #138,502 of 153,391
Caution, post approaches @ArmchairPhilosopher length.

When I announced plans to retire, my employer went into a mad scramble to find a replacement. Very few applicants for the test technician position made it to a final interview. "EE degree or commensurate experience" got mostly recent grads in network technology and that knowledge doesn't transfer to system-wide component level troubleshooting and repair. I really think someone from the DIY electronics community, even without a degree or work experience would have been a viable choice. At one time, the pool for this kind of work was deep and competitive. No institution even trains for it anymore.

We live in a world of (mostly) disposable goods. Smart phone goes bad? You might be able to get a cracked screen replaced, but no one's opening the case to trace out a bad signal with a scope. Throw out, replace. If one of my employer's units or boards went bad or had a manufacturing defect? Some boards were valued at used car prices, so they didn't get tossed in some bone pile to be pillaged for spare parts. Unless a user did something very very wrong and burned a massive hole through the board, it was repaired.

I often kidded that one of our units was engineered like an automobile; the mechanical design facilitated assembly and disregarded service. You might have to loosen two items to access something else. A lot of old audio equipment is built similarly. I drool over @Jason Stoddard's layouts: Usually a single board, logical component placement, and largely wire free. Different industries, different goals, different approaches.

Troubleshooting items that failed in the field requires a very different mindset than troubleshooting newly manufactured stuff. Solder bridges, miswires, and other manufacturing defects have already been located and repaired. Working on returned things means failed component(s) or electromechanical failure. No amount of AI is going to determine what's bad and robotics can't access or repair it since both depend on repeatability. AI will break down on first occurrence and mislead you afterwards. Robotics won't cover all the variables of repair. It seems no one wants a labor and logic intensive job, but silicon can't do it either.
Feeling concise today.

None of this will change until people decide to NOT buy into “throwaway/FOTM” products - whether $20 or $200,000. Buy REAL (as in in the real world over a lifetime of use) quality products the FIRST time. Still have and use my dad’s tools (some older than I). Still have my complete stereo rig - thus far with the amp having been repaired at factory once in 34 years, the pre-amp JUST recently developed old-caps syndrome and is in a queue. My SOTA turntable is still - to this day - upgradable should I so wish… and so forth. (Perhaps hence my predilection towards LPs - have 2000, and CDs - have many hundreds, over streaming, which I don’t do except in office occasionally via YouTube.)


Alas, people don’t think (enough)
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 9:18 AM Post #138,503 of 153,391
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Feb 4, 2024 at 9:21 AM Post #138,504 of 153,391
I powered them both on about an hour ago, and when I put my hand on top of the top cover, the temperatures seem similar to me. I have them in different rooms on different floors of the house, so I can't move my hand back and forth within a few seconds, though. The Lyr+ has a vacuum tube sticking out the top, and that definitely feels warmer than the top cover, but I can wrap my whole hand around the tube and it's definitely cool enough to keep holding it indefinitely. A stainless steel pitcher for steaming milk with an espresso machine, for example, gets much hotter than the tube does, and the tube is the hottest surface I can find on the Lyr+. I won't be surprised if an infrared thermometer can pick out a difference in temperature, but from a human hands-on perspective I can't say there's a major difference.

I upgraded from an Asgard 3 to a Lyr+ about a year and a half ago with the first run of Lyr+ amps. My opinion is that Lyr+ is a worthwhile upgrade over Asgard 3 in that it adds a tube mode, while offering a solid state mode that sounds similar to me, and the Lyr+ volume control and features are better for me. The solid state mode sounds very similar, to me at least, with the low-impedance dynamics and planars that I normally use with it. The tube mode is its own thing, and my Lyr+ is set to tube mode more than 95% of the time. I use the Lyr+ with a Psvane CV181-T, which I think sounds great with all the headphones I use. To me, the Asgard 3 is very clean, but the Lyr+ tube mode just sounds a bit richer and more interesting. The factory Tung-Sol tube I received was also good, but I haven't spent much time listening with it. I've never used the preamp function of the Lyr+, because my headphone system also uses a Saga S as a preamp, which is connected to some powered monitors and some other headphone amps through splitters.

Gain switching is much faster with Asgard 3 (instant) than with Lyr+ (~5 seconds), and switching between tube and solid state modes is comparatively slow (~20 seconds), if that matters to you. Input switching is still instantaneous. Personally, I don't think I would bother upgrading unless you're sure you want to use the tube mode a lot, and there are much cheaper ways of finding out whether you like tube hybrids, like the Vali series. While there's nothing wrong at all with the Lyr+ solid state mode, I don't think it's worth the price difference unless you want both the tube and solid state capabilities, or unless you really want a lot more power. For me, the Lyr+ solid state capability is a convenience feature for the scenario where I don't have a working tube handy.

I don't own any headphones that the Lyr+ can't power to dangerous volumes. The most demanding headphones I have are Aeon 2 closed and DT880 Edition, and I've never turned up past 3 o'clock with either of them, which was already alarmingly loud. I know neither of those is an especially demanding headphone in terms of power, but it's what I have. The TH610s and Grados I run only on low gain because of the noise floor. The stepped attenuator is still audibly perfect for these in terms of channel matching, but I can really hear the noise with the Lyr+ set to high gain mode. In low gain mode I hear nothing but the input signal.

In my system, I also have a Valhalla (1) and an SW51+ (transformer-coupled 6Ж51P) in addition to the Lyr+. I like both of those for use with some headphones, but they simply can't run the Grados, or the Aeon 2, or the Arya Stealth properly in my opinion, and the Lyr+ is fantastic for those. For high-impedance dynamics like HD650 and DT880, all these amps work well in different ways, with the Lyr+ sounding the cleanest (which is not always what you want, right? But sometimes).

In my opinion, the low gain mode of Lyr+ is not clean enough for Andromedas, while the low gain mode of Asgard 3 is clean enough. With Andromedas, I can easily hear the Lyr+ noise floor, but I can get an appropriate volume from Asgard 3 without hearing it. I think the negative gain mode of Magni+ is a significantly better choice for the Andromedas, but that's a mode that was specifically designed for very sensitive IEMs. These are the only set I have that are too sensitive for the Lyr+ in low gain mode, and all of my other IEMs are perfectly fine with it, but the Andromedas are a famously brutal test for amplifier SNR. I don't think I would make a decision about Lyr+ solely based on performance with Andromedas.

If you use the card slot in the Asgard 3, of course, you'll have to replace that with an outboard DAC. I've only used the Asgard 3 and Lyr+ with Bifrost 2 and Modi 3+, and I'm afraid I've never heard any Schiit DAC with TI or ESS D/A chips in it so I can't say anything about the stuff that's currently available.
First, thank you for your utterly comprehensive answer to my query, I am grateful and appreciative for the insights.

Second, I never even considered noise floor differences just because for all my headphones I can’t hear a noise floor on my Asgard 3. I’m not an IEM guy so that issue may not impact my listening…

I don’t own any tube headphone amps, so if I got a Lyr+ it would be my first. My only worry is my goofy cat jumping on my listening station and getting hurt, but from your answer that may not be an issue. I can also train my cat to not see the listening station as a place to jump…
I use a modius e, not a dac card but that’s not an issue. I have more thoughts but I haven’t had my coffee yet, so I’ll just end this message by saying again that I am grateful for the response and I’m taking it all into consideration.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 9:22 AM Post #138,505 of 153,391
I swapped my Asgard 3 for Lyr+ and I’d say Lyr+ is way better. I sold my Asgard and consider a second setup with Lyr+. As for heat, in my case it is about the same. They both are warm - but not too hot. My stuff stays on all the time.
What made you decide to upgrade? Thanks for your input as well
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 9:24 AM Post #138,506 of 153,391
2024, Chapter 2
Jason’s Law

I’ve joked about “Jason’s Law” recently, which is simply: Any date I give is wrong.

As in, ask me when something will ship. I’ll make a guess, based on my currently available knowledge…and I’ll be wrong. Sometimes by a week, sometimes a month, sometimes a whole lot more.

For some of you, this is confusing. Why can’t I provide a precise estimate? Don’t I know what’s going on in the entire company at all times? Isn’t there a master timeline or something? Isn’t there, at least, a plan for when we “get things in?”

Oh boy.

I think some of my readers think manufacturing works like this:
  • We “order” something, like Vidar 2s.
  • They “arrive” (on a container ship, unicorn, or steampunk blimp, not sure here.)
  • We ship them to happy customers!
Ah man I really wish. If manufacturing was easy and fun, everyone would do it.

But it doesn’t work that way. There are tons of things that can throw off plans, from missing a $0.08 part to unexpected time off to higher-than-anticipated sales, to glitches in first runs, to weird stuff happening in subsequent runs…and dozens more that we have yet to discover.

So I thought, “Hey, maybe it would be good to do a chapter on Jason’s Law and manufacturing in general, so maybe you can get a better idea of how making things really works.”

“Wait a sec,” some of you are saying. “Didn’t you promise us a chapter on Aegir 2? And now you’re talking missed dates and delays? I’m not getting a good feeling about this!”

And yeah, there you go. Because Aegir 2 will now ship at the end of February.

Yes, I know, we are terrible people. Incompetent. Impossible to work with.

But that’s how it goes.

Refer back to Jason’s Law.

Welcome to the Big Top, AKA How Things Really Get Made

Sometimes it does seem that manufacturing is a 3-ring circus. Heck, today (Tuesday), I worked on five prototypes, including one that is going to production and needed qualified after the in-house-assembled complex and dense SMD PCB was misbehaving, and one that needed some final tweaks on a really cool chassis that had just come in as bare metal. But, at the same time, I had to:
  • Look into comments on a new product, to ensure that nothing was wrong with it, and that the second run was the same as the first.
  • Source three parts for another product that was past prototype.
  • Run APx tests on several misbehaving internal projects.
  • Participate in our weekly production meeting, during which we decided to push out Aegir.
  • Be part of the weekly digital meeting, where exciting things are happening (and I have to support on the mechanical side.)
  • Finalize a BOM (bill of material, a list of everything that goes into a product) for a new part.
  • Respond to questions about a new chassis using unfamiliar manufacturing techniques.
So what does my day have to do with manufacturing, and why does it matter with respect to product introduction dates? Perhaps very little, serving only to illustrate the complexity in which we operate.

I mean, you don’t really think that manufacturing is a 3-step process:
  • Order stuff.
  • Receive boxes.
  • Ship them out?
I mean, do you? Because that’s the feeling I get sometime.

Here’s the reality: manufacturing is a complex process involving hundreds of parts for each product, plus the labor to assemble, test, pack, ship, and support them. And literally every part of that process can bring the whole thing to a halt. As in, if you’re missing a $0.08 clip…but it’s a custom clip…and it has a 6-week lead time…and nothing else will work…guess what? You’re 6 weeks boned. Period. (Unless your supplier takes 8 weeks, then you’re boned 8 weeks.)

So what does actual manufacturing look like? OMG, too much. We can start at design, which is an entire process in itself. So let’s start with something simple: let’s start with “doing another run of Vidar 2.”

Note the “another.”

This is a proven product we’ve made before. What can go wrong?

Oh boy. You guys!

Making the "Next Run" of Vidar 2
  • Determine if we have all the parts to do it. We have a Bill of Materials of all parts of the product. From this, we can use the ERP system to determine if we have everything we need to do a run of these amps.
  • Order any missing parts.Sounds painless? Not if it’s a custom part like a chassis top, bottom, heatsink, heatsink clip, or transformer. The lead times on some of those parts can be 16 weeks. As in, 4 months. As in, 1/3 of a year. If you haven’t been paying attention to stock levels, this can get really ugly really fast.
    • Potential delays: See above.
  • Choose a PCB assembler.We don’t assemble our own PC boards. We work with PCB assemblers in California, Nevada, Utah, and Texas. Some have different requirements, so it’s important to know which we are working with.
    • Potential delay: everyone’s “line time” is taken.
  • Order a “kit” of parts.These are typically the more common parts we use, the parts that go on the board. We work with a purchasing company that helps buy and stock many of these parts. Some of them will be as small as an 0603 resistor (those dimensions are in mils, by the way, or thousandths of an inch). Some of them will be big storage capacitors, PCB hardware, pin connectors, power output BJTs, etc. A Vidar 2 has about 300 parts total.
    • Potential delays: any one of the parts on the PCB can hold it up. Most will have “alternates,” from other suppliers, but some won’t. No Microchip microprocessors? Too bad, sit and wait.
  • Get the kit and PCBs to the PCB assembler.Go back and forth with any questions. There will typically be questions even on recurring runs.
    • Potential delays: PCBs delayed due to exotic materials or specs, missed questions mean your run slips.
  • Wait for the first articles and qualify them.Typically a PCB assembler will do “first articles,” as in, a couple of boards done to the current BOM with the parts supplied, so you can check it and make sure it’s OK. Sometimes it goes smoothly, sometimes there are surprises.
    • Potential delays: errors on first articles, “alternate” parts not truly alternate, parts variability causing problems—hell, dealing with variance is a big part of engineering. I should write a chapter on that.
  • Wait for production boards. Production will take some time after first articles are approved, especially if it is a large run.
    • Potential delays: PCB supplier has their own people out on holiday/sick leave/family time.
  • Prep the line. Concurrently with the production boards, or later if labor is tight, prep work can begin on chassis. This sounds easy, but Vidar 2s have a ton of fiddly thermal strips, clips, binding posts, transformer mounts, front panel boards, AC inlet, etc that need to be done right.
    • Potential delays: miscounted inventory means you’re missing a critical part, like a thermal strip or binding posts; now you’re back 3-4 weeks. Argh. Or just nobody to build it at the time.
  • Perform prelim QC. Vidar 2s need to be programmed, “Flirred up,” as in, we look at every board with a thermal camera, bias checked…and only then is the board ready to drop in and assemble.
    • Potential delays: something wrong with the board, no manpower, etc.
  • Build a batch. Again, sounds easy, right? No. It’s much more than dropping the board in. You need to ensure the thermal clips are attached correctly, you need to set the bias, you need to check the front panel operation…lots of things can go wrong.
    • Potential delays: as above, lack of labor.
  • Burn them in. Vidars, like every one of our products that has an AC power cord, are burnt in for a day or more. As in, they go on racks, they get turned on and left on, to catch any early failures. They don’t get on the racks themselves. No do they jump off the racks and dance into final QC like Mickey’s magic brooms.
    • Potential delays: labor, or an unexpected number of failures on burn-in.
  • Do final QC. Now we can finally send the racks of Vidar 2s to instrumented and listening test. Literally 100% of everything we do is checked on instruments and every product is listened to. Yes, down to Magni. This is one of the most important parts of the process, and our test and QC staff are our most experienced.
    • Potential delays: staff time again; new product ramp-up; broken or misbehaving test equipment, bad cables…oh boy, lots of strange stuff happens here.
  • Clean and pack.Products don’t clean and pack themselves either. Heck, Elon’s robots can barely fold shirts. Call me when they can handle a 25-lb amp.
    • Potential delays: shortage of boxes and inserts, missing manuals (yes, no kidding), staff shortage.
  • Ship it. When you place your order, do you think it is whisked off human-free by an Amazon-esque robotic sled? Nope. Ask Art, or his crew, what’s really involved in this.
    • Potential delays: believe me, we try to do this as fast as possible, but again, box and insert shortage, human shortage, lots of stuff can derail this.
  • Swap. Any early field failures are swapped out. Not many of these, but they happen. And it is part of the process. You can’t just make things and ship them into the ether unsupported. This is part of manufacturing.
  • Support. People have questions and concerns. We do our best to answer them. And, no kidding, this is one of the hardest things to get right. One of our longest-standing and most experienced persons in this department went on long-term leave recently, and we’re still getting back on our feet. But we’re finally making some real progress.
  • Service. And, if there are problems with a product, we need to provide support, both inside and outside of warranty. It’s not unusual for us to repair products made 12-13 years ago. Not many, but you’ll see a reallllllllly old Asgard or Valhalla once a month or so. Still repairable. Still will probably be fine for many years.
Oh yeah and repeat this for the 20+ other products we make.

Okay, so maybe those last 3 things aren’t exactly parts of the manufacturing process, but it’s definitely part of being a manufacturer. If you’re thinking of getting into the business of making things, not only do you have to think about what you’re making now, you also need to consider what you have made.

And, when you get right down to it, even all those steps above really oversimplify manufacturing. Because manufacturing is really multifaceted, involving:
  • Many different kinds of parts. Is it a steel stamping? A machined aluminum piece? An injection-molded plastic part? A standard resistor? A semi-custom potentiometer? A precision-spec’d inductor? Some will be fully custom, requiring mechanical engineering, CAD, and detailed drawings with materials and finishing specs, and some will be fully off the shelf. Knowing which to choose to best optimize price, design, and quality is a hugely important skill-set.
  • Various critical partners. You’ll be working with people making chassis. People making boards. People making cable harnesses. People making transformers. People making brackets. People buying and kitting parts. People painting things. And lots more. Having a working knowledge of what your partners do, and finding the best way of working with them can be make or break.
  • Multiple manufacturing disciplines. You may choose to make some or all in-house. What makes the most sense? What can you support?
  • A critical mesh of employees and contractors. Everyone works a bit different, and everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Creating a team that is excited about what they are doing—whether it is building a Magni or coming up with an entirely new idea—is the ultimate goal. Or at least that’s what we’re going for.
  • Making the best of multiple surprises. In manufacturing, the only guarantee is that every day is going to be a surprise. Some for the better, many for the worse. Parts you expected would all be the same, aren’t. But then again, maybe someone wanders in with an insanely great idea…and it works.
Aaaaaaaand production timelines you expected would be dead-easy to hit…aren’t.

Yeah. Welcome to Jason’s Law.

The Impact on Aegir 2

"Yeah yeah yeah, we know making things is hard," someone says. "So why will Aegir 2 be so late? I thought you said you had boards and chassis a week ago!"

Sigh. It really comes down to faster-than-expected sales of other products and lower-than-expected levels of staff.

As in, we have a choice to build Tyrs, Yggdrasils, Vidars, and Bifrost 2s in order to keep up with higher-than-expected orders…or we can move Aegir 2 up in front of it and endure complaints about out-of-stock status on a bunch of other products. After a discussion on Tuesday, we decided to build the other products, and move Aegir 2.

“Well, hire more people,” someone says. “Get it done!”

Yeah. A couple of problems with that:
  • We have skilled employees doing complex work. You don’t pick up how to put together a Tyr or Yggy in a day. So “just adding some people” is something with a much longer timeframe. We probably wouldn’t have anyone building Tyrs or Yggys for months after hire.
  • Whoever we hire deserves to have a steady job. As in we have to be sure they have plenty of work. Hiring now, as we are going into slower seasons (spring is slower than winter, summer is slowest) could be a problem. It wouldn’t be fair to say, “Sorry, no job now, go home.”
“But why can’t you plan for correct staffing levels?” someone asks. “I don’t see how that’s so hard?”

Simple: because schiit happens.

Sometimes employees have unexpected family issues (both good and bad). Sometimes their vacations don’t line up perfectly. Sometimes they have health problems.

And, in every case, you have to roll with it. When someone isn’t a perfect automaton, you can’t simply chuck them in a ditch at the side of the road and go looking for replacements. No, not even in Texas.
Aside: we’ve had our share of gotcha questions about “how are our employees in Texas? Are they OK?” You know, implying that we’re all a bunch of uncaring hicks down here and we’re hiring cheap and firing fast. In reality, our Texas and California employees are paid very well and enjoy the same benefits, including benefits not mandated by law in Texas. So let’s put these questions to bed.

What happened in staffing was several things, including seasonal crap (plain old flu and COVID), some extra family time off, and surprise health things that have nothing to do with winter illness and are none of your business. All of which meant we had fewer people to make things.

So, yeah: more demand and less capability to make things. You do the math.

Here’s where that leaves us with Aegir 2:
  • Current estimate (not by me, by Elvis, head of large/complex unit production) is that it will be available by February 28.
  • Closeout Aegirs are getting fairly thin, so it’s possible they will be gone by Aegir 2 launch. Sorry about that, I know some people wanted to hear what others thought about the comparison.
To help you decide if Aegir 2 is for you, here’s a brief outline of the differences:
  • More power: 25/50W 8/4 ohms, 100W mono.
  • Less heat: revised Continuity runs cooler, revised standby consumes only 1-2 watts.
  • Less invasive protection: 2X more output devices, so less overcurrent and thermal shutoff.
  • New tech—Halo™: mixed-mode feedback output stage, low damping factor of 10 may be controversial. Nonswitchable. Always Halo. Unless in mono, then no Halo.
  • Toroid transformer. Not a big deal, but some people like them.
  • More money: $899, $200 more than outgoing Aegir.
Is it a better amp? To me, absolutely. But I don’t know what you’ll hear. I think it breaks down to: if you want to save some money, Aegir is a heckuva deal right now.

So yeah. Apologies on the delay. But sometimes that's how things work out. I hope this short chapter helps you understand where some of these delays may come from.

I feel the pain. Used to work in manufacturing engineering at a car manufacturing plant and now deliver custom cranes to nuclear power plants. Fun stuff - and nothing ever goes the way it's planned...
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 9:25 AM Post #138,507 of 153,391
Anyone running a subwoofer with Tyr's have experience/recommendations for 10" size?
Unless you mean powering a subwoofer with a Tyr the important question is what's the preamp or do you wish to drive a sub using the speaker-level signal?

There are hundreds of companies making subwoofers. What's your budget?
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 9:33 AM Post #138,509 of 153,391
I am in manufacturing, and my brother is a fresh tool and die engineer in plastics and it is very true - we "can't" find people to fill the open slots for the manufacturing site. He as a new coworker hired for polymer development and has related the coworker was expecting to do new material R&D, not existing material CI and QC work.
Companies often use different names for different roles and responsibilities. I also worked in plastics and, at the best company (23 years), all the tool & die design and fab was done by corporate engineering. The folks doing polymer development were research associates who had PhDs in polymer chemistry. All those corporate folks were there to support the plants, where the product (= money) was being made. I agree that QC is a drag, the operators should be doing that work, these days, but QA and CI can be challenging and rewarding roles. I wish your brother a fun journey!
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 9:33 AM Post #138,510 of 153,391
Yes, manufacturing engineering is rapidly becoming a lost art in the US. Sad.
I couldn't agree more. After running and/or turning around a dozen different manufacturing plants in my career, a talented manufacturing engineer was the difference between a plant that merely met expectations and one that consistently exceeded them. That guy (not being sexist, just IME it was always a guy) spending most of his time on the plant floor improving flow and efficiencies, reducing waste, removing bottlenecks, truly resolving quality issues rather than just band-aiding them, researching and vetting new machinery, and (very importantly) working with design engineers to make things efficiently manufacturable was key to continuous improvement. The lack of people interested in this vital role these days is very unfortunate.
 
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