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Are you serious oarnura? LoL. Musicality is far from being just being frequency accurate. When they record music in the studio, the last thing they want to mix with is with BA earphones. They mix using studio monitors and then they fine tune after auditioning with a variety of speakers and sometimes even car stereos to get a sense of how the recording comes off on the common systems.
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Most don't use any headphones period. BA or dynamic doesn't matter.
Riddle me this? Why is it that a vast majority of IEM manufacturers that sell in the pro market use BA or multiple BA. Where as consumer oriented brands and models use dynamic?
Example, 95% of shure's line is BA except the consumer oriented SE-115.
UE uses BAs in every product line targeted at Pro musicians.
Westone...Phonak (Pro hearing aid)... Etymotics.. I can keep going on.
You argument doesn't hold water. Pros think BAs sound accurate and meets what they need. Consumers like some extra "boom" in their bass which they mistakenly think sounds "musical".
Consumers think lots of boomy bass is good bass and musical. Most have never heard tight accurate bass.
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BAs are far from having a similar sound to speakers and headphones. Dynamic earphones are represent the intended listening much closer than most BAs. |
I have speakers from a professional monitoring company and a very accurate sub and the accuracy and speed of my home stereo is closely matched by BA based phones. My system is also calibrated for room response.
The dynamic phones "visceral" bass sounds like a slow sub with average transient response.
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When I had my EX700s it really hit home how much better a good pair of dynamics can be compared to BAs including SE530s. Here's the problem with BAs, the ones I've heard (and many which I own or have owned) make a sacrifice. Either they are very accurate while being quite clynical sounding (not musical) or they try to make up for the clynical sound by bringing up the mids and the lows which effectively creates a veil (SE530s fair better). |
It all depends on what you are used to. If you haven't heard a properly calibrated accurate system you will tend to think a typical consumer setup is more "musical" and use that as a comparison for your earphones.
You may listen to a accurate system and still prefer a consumer grade system.
A product has a veil is the bass is more prominent and mids and lows take a back seat. It sounds like a blanket was thrown on the speaker to muffle the highs and mids hence "veil".
All the dynamics I have heard sound fairly veiled to a certain extent.
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Are you trying to convince me that full sized phones are distorted? Ha ha. |
All headphones are unnatural/unmusical because sounds in nature don't come from tiny point sources on or in your ear.
Natural sound is heard and felt. When a bass string is plucked or a drum is hit hard you feel it. You will never get that from any headphone.
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In regards to your comment with the soundstage, I'm using the EX700s as the target for my findings and they are in no way compressed or congested. |
You are using one Dynamic and BA based phone to generalize what the entire technology type sounds like? Seriously!
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Also, find me a pair of BAs that doesn't give the impression that the sound is coming out from the inside of your head. |
Find me one headphone that can image like a good pair of speakers. Every single head phone sounds like the music is in your head to a certain extent. You will never replicate the sound of a band playing in a room with the band 8 feet in front of your from a headphone.
Even if the sound is in your head it should sound like a band is playing in a room. Not as if the band is around your head.
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Positioning is a different category and dynamics do this quite well but again, you need to be using the right dynamics to draw your conclusions. I chose the EX700s as my test target due to the fact that they can be had for around $230 yet they rival $500 BAs while doing quite a few things better than BAs (soundstaging and a better representation of what the bass is supposed to sound and feel like). That says a lot. |
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I haven't seen the EX700 get a lot of time on head-fi. I haven't heard them myself.
So I have not other source of information to go on. But the pros don't use the EX700 for monitoring or stage use. I would love to see
some information on that.
No headphone can create what bass is supposed to feel like. The thing is centimeters from you ear. How does the rest of your body get the sound waves?
What is your reference stereo/speaker/Sub for bass ?
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Also note, you're using lower end NE-7m's and Turbines as your target for testing? Isn't this a truly flawed test? |
Nope, the Trubines are $150. The NE-7m are $50. My BA basedIEMs are in the $69-$150 price range (my price of acquisition).
My tests are far more broad because I am using multiple data points vs your using two examples.
I am going to get the IE7 this week a very highly regarded dynamic IEM. If it blow me away I will write about it. If it has the same flaws I perceive with most dynamics I will write about it too.
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The EX700s only real issue is that they have a slight sibilance so if the recording has sibilant parts you will seriously hear it but it's not as bad as say a pair of Etys which feels like pins poking at your ears with the higher registers. |
If a product reproduces what is there in the recording it isn't a problem. It is a problem if it doesn't reproduce what is in the recording.