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@11amaberry, 
 
Please refrain from making comparisons of equipment you've never used.  I own the NuForce Icon HDP (a $450 amp/DAC) and the Clip+ and the Clip+ is amazingly similar.  The Clip+ also sounds better than any iPod I've ever owned (iTouch, Classic, Video, Nano & Shuffle), better than any Sony I've ever owned, and about the same as my ESI Dr. DAC.  It's only been bested by my Cowon J3 and Icon HDP.
 
With Rockbox and some subtle EQ adjustments and the Clip+ is an amazing device with very few flaws.
 
Don't get sucked into the "$$$ = SQ" crowd.

Well said!

I agree

But Please refrain from calling the Ipod touch an I touch!

 
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Hope to have some pics of my new (not high end) gear here soon.

 

[Achmedisdead]

With the EQu app installed, the Touch 4G and the rockboxed Clip+  are so close in sound, there is no clear winner.....unless you factor cost into the equation, of course.

 

[SoulSyde]

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@ SoulSyde

Are you talking about with no EQ, or with EQ? I personally like my iTouch 2G better than my Cowon J3 with no EQ. But, with EQ, the J3 is better.

I guess I'm talking about "with EQ."  I make small adjustments to every source I own.

 

[SoulSyde]

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I agree

But Please refrain from calling the Ipod touch an I touch!

I actually called it an "iTouch," but since I am no longer part of the iCult I don't really care either way, so I have no problem honoring your request. 

 

[Br777]

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With the EQu app installed, the Touch 4G and the rockboxed Clip+  are so close in sound, there is no clear winner.....unless you factor cost into the equation, of course.

i own a rockboxed clip+, and a EQu'd Ipod touch 4th gen, both of which i listen to music with several times a day. I have tried my darndest to make the eq settings as close to each other as possible on both players. I use almost all lossless files.  Though at the moment i dont have any stellar cans, (klipsch s4, sennheiser OMX980, and sennheiser px100) and i havent ever sat quietly and reeeeeeally tried to eek out a difference.
 
that said, i cant tell a difference between the two.  When i choose one over the other its always related to what im doing and what is more convenient or logical for the task at hand.  never about sound quality.
 
Though, I have never tried the line out with the Ipod so i cant comment on that.
 
Once I get my jh3a's i will try both the line out and the headphone out on the ipod, and the headphone out on the clip+... Then we'll see if there's a difference 

  muwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha...

 

[Achmedisdead]

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With the EQu app installed, the Touch 4G and the rockboxed Clip+  are so close in sound, there is no clear winner.....unless you factor cost into the equation, of course.

i own a rockboxed clip+, and a EQu'd Ipod touch 4th gen, both of which i listen to music with several times a day. I have tried my darndest to make the eq settings as close to each other as possible on both players. I use almost all lossless files.  Though at the moment i dont have any stellar cans, (klipsch s4, sennheiser OMX980, and sennheiser px100) and i havent ever sat quietly and reeeeeeally tried to eek out a difference.
 
that said, i cant tell a difference between the two.  When i choose one over the other its always related to what im doing and what is more convenient or logical for the task at hand.  never about sound quality.
 
Though, I have never tried the line out with the Ipod so i cant comment on that.
 
Once I get my jh3a's i will try both the line out and the headphone out on the ipod, and the headphone out on the clip+... Then we'll see if there's a difference 

  muwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha...

I've only used the headphone out of the Touch.....even if I got an LOD cable, the only amp I have on hand is an old PA2V2, so I don't know if that would be an improvement over the HO or not.

 

[J.Pocalypse]

I've never heard the Clip or any version of it, but I do own the uDAC. IMO, while it may cut out some computer noise, it's not much more than a glorified external volume control. From what I've read around the forum, when I order the uDAC 2 upgrade, things may be better.

 

[mralexosborn]

I disagree. My onboard audio sounded TERRIBLE. My uDac was my biggest upgrade ever.

 

[rawrster]

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I was asking because, IMO the uDac is very middle of the line. It is just a DAC. Nothing more. Not a good one. Not a great one. Just meh.

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I disagree. My onboard audio sounded TERRIBLE. My uDac was my biggest upgrade ever.

It seems like it's contradicting each other.
 
 
Anyway the clip+ is flatter but not quite as good as the uDAC imo.
 
 

 

[mralexosborn]

No it's not really contradicting. As a DAC it is meh. As an upgrade from onboard audio it is great. I was using two different reference points, that's all.
 
Is it a great difference?

 

[Achmedisdead]

 
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I was asking because, IMO the uDac is very middle of the line. It is just a DAC. Nothing more. Not a good one. Not a great one. Just meh.

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I disagree. My onboard audio sounded TERRIBLE. My uDac was my biggest upgrade ever.

It seems like it's contradicting each other.
 
 
Anyway the clip+ is flatter but not quite as good as the uDAC imo.
 
 

I'm assuming you mean that without EQ, it's flatter?

 

[rawrster]

Yes the clip+ is much flatter without EQ on both. I do not find comparisons with EQ fair when one has it and one does not. The uDAC is colored in the bass and has a bit boost in the bass and in particular mid bass iirc. It has been a while since I owned the uDAC however.
 
It's not to say it isn't bad however. If I didn't already have a good transportable dac/amp I'd get the uDAC2 without blinking twice.
 
The difference depends on the phone. There is a slight difference (although a lot of the differences in head-fi are slight depending on what a big difference is) with easier to drive stuff but with things that require power the clip+ does have some issues. Although the clip+ doesn't really have that much power to go around so it really isn't the fault of the clip+ when the uDAC is powered by a usb port.
 
I never used the uDAC as a dac only however.

 

[J.Pocalypse]

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I disagree. My onboard audio sounded TERRIBLE. My uDac was my biggest upgrade ever.

For you, fantastic. I'm glad it's working well. Perhaps my opinion is only because the highest quality headphones I've ever heard are my M50s. Maybe with something like the HD600s, I could notice a bigger difference.

 

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[faisal2003456]

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How do those Cube players sound? They have some insane claims on power output.