HalfBakedPotato
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And the best would be a JHA product? Funny people I see in this forum...
Eh? I don't get what you are getting at? Have I missed something?
And the best would be a JHA product? Funny people I see in this forum...
i also think full CF shell looks nice, but apart from the visual factor, i am not sure if that will impact the sound much?
Lets not forget that there are bound to be some people on the list because the Roxanne is the first (and only at the moment) CIEM available in full CF. You can buy your Nobles but if you do, you won't have a CF CIEM... If the BA and crossover of the Noble was comparable to the Roxanne and also available in full CF, I think a lot more people would listen to your argument. To be fair, for pure audio - you may have a point. You may not. I don't know... and even then, it's all down to opinion.
In short, people's reasons for buying may not be all about the audio experience. Some people will want CF bragging rights for example, or the custom box... or simply insist on having CIEMs with JH's name on them. At the moment, there's only one place you can get full CF with JH's name on... and maybe that is the driver for some people.
I just hope that mine come faultless - because if they don't, they are going back.
As an aside, I think people are passing the time by posting in this thread (the "my Roxannes are still not here" support group) - that's cool, whatever makes the days go faster. We all just want our Roxannes... and rightly too!
And the best would be a JHA product? Funny people I see in this forum...
Eh? I don't get what you are getting at? Have I missed something?
To say the truth, I think your assessment of the situation is quite fair. Let's just wait and see... If the Roxanne is indeed a fantastic product, and/or marginally better than its contenders, and if JH resolves its problems fast, I might even consider to buy one for myself. But so far, you must admit it doesn't look good...
I don't remember who was it but someone was saying something like, people wait to get the best so waiting is justified. Well, I don't think JHA ever brought best ciem in the world or something, all I see is poorly managed business and some great products. The best? No, far from it. Apart from JH13 FP, their products was never TOTL. I hope, they bring something better than JH13 FP but then again, with that kind of business management, I wouldn't be their customer. I like the idea behind the Roxanne, adjustable bass and all, really interesting (I am not talking about 12 drivers here, more drivers mean bulls**t, how they are tuned is what matters). At the beginning I was considering Roxanne seriously, to complete my SE5way, but after all the pages I read here, no way man, I throw my money at somewhere else.
Halfbakedpatatoe, you should post a review or first impressions as soon as you receive your roxies. It's the only thing I think that could reassure many potential customers. Including me.
I completely understand and agree with everything you said. As a customer who paid top dollar for a product, you're entitled to the transparency you referred to.
I don't remember who was it but someone was saying something like, people wait to get the best so waiting is justified. Well, I don't think JHA ever brought best ciem in the world or something, all I see is poorly managed business and some great products. The best? No, far from it. Apart from JH13 FP, their products was never TOTL. I hope, they bring something better than JH13 FP but then again, with that kind of business management, I wouldn't be their customer. I like the idea behind the Roxanne, adjustable bass and all, really interesting (I am not talking about 12 drivers here, more drivers mean bulls**t, how they are tuned is what matters). At the beginning I was considering Roxanne seriously, to complete my SE5way, but after all the pages I read here, no way man, I throw my money at somewhere else.
Ah yes. I see.
"Best", at best, is an opinion in this game. I'm no expert but what I do know is that one man's treasure is another man's turd. Hey, if people want to put turd in their ears, that's no concern of mine. I don't know if Roxanne's are the best or not but nobody can deny that JH is the father of CIEMs, he's an innovator - and above all, continues to innovate. He's bringing stuff to market before everybody else.
Here's the rub... in keeping ahead of the curve, he's maybe bringing the stuff to market before it's ready. Maybe his business is poorly managed. I don't know. It doesn't look good from the outside but nobody really knows whats going on in the inside. For example, I know JH has been globetrotting promoting the Roxanne (hell, he's at NAMM this week - his airmiles must be clocking up) and I don't know if him not being around has an influence on what is coming out of JH Audio - it shouldn't but it does make you wonder. I don't know if I would want to be seen out and about when there seems to be a problem with the production of the Roxanne. Having said that, there's not much on the internet about the problems with Roxannes - perhaps it's a localised thing on headfi. I don't know. It's all speculation.
You saying "far from it" with regards to being the best, again, opinion. The best for what? The best for being made out of pure CF? The best for audiophiles? The best for musicians? The best for live IEM use? It's all subjective. You may or may not hate the JH brand. You know what, that's cool. There are no rules about what brands you have a love of. I've never had a JH product before... but I'm still hoping that it will fit my needs... and exceed expectations.
It's like anything custom made. You have to make a decision whether you can cope with the way the business works in the hope that you are getting a product that you really want. I will say it again, if you want a Roxanne, you can't go anywhere else. OK, there are other products out there that are similar maybe - but there must be something in the Roxanne that has caused a load of people to shell out for a pair.
But for the level of product quality these days, i am sure people will do more than just rant on the forum if they receive their iphone 5S with faulty casing, etc
bottom line is that, how could faulty cases/cables/mismatch color shells be sent out to the customer in the first place?
people have proved to be patient, even when it comes to purchasing a aftermarket cable, there are plenty on this forum that waited months, or even approaching a year for Toxic cable's delivery. But the MAIN difference here is that, Toxic cable ensures EVERY product that he ships out is at the best level of quality he can achieve, and maybe at the end, buyers are willing to accept the trade off of waiting and receiving top quality merchandise.
I think many ppl are worried bcos of the unknown delivery time frame, as well as the chance that when they do receive it, they find out something else is wrong and gotta send back for a refit/repair, etc
But for the level of product quality these days, i am sure people will do more than just rant on the forum if they receive their iphone 5S with faulty casing, etc
bottom line is that, how could faulty cases/cables/mismatch color shells be sent out to the customer in the first place?
people have proved to be patient, even when it comes to purchasing a aftermarket cable, there are plenty on this forum that waited months, or even approaching a year for Toxic cable's delivery. But the MAIN difference here is that, Toxic cable ensures EVERY product that he ships out is at the best level of quality he can achieve, and maybe at the end, buyers are willing to accept the trade off of waiting and receiving top quality merchandise.
I think many ppl are worried bcos of the unknown delivery time frame, as well as the chance that when they do receive it, they find out something else is wrong and gotta send back for a refit/repair, etc
Ps: English not being my mother tongue, please excuse my mistakes and/or bad spellings.
You got a point.... That's why I was suggesting to halfbakedpotato to keep us posted about his roxanne. Just to be informed; will his Roxanne have the right custom art, no bubbles in the shells, good esthetics...? And also, good sound ?
In a nutshell, was the wait worth it or not ?