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Clemmaster · Aug 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

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cute said:
There is no Wasapi Event mode in jRiver Mediacenter 18!

Yes, there was on older revisions of MC18.
Running the 18.0.103 at work now and it does features Event Style.

The bit depth selection was moved from "DSP Studio -> Output format" to the "Playback Options -> Output Mode" in the most recent version, as well.

Makiah S · Aug 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

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clemmaster said:
Yes, there was on older revisions of MC18.
Running the 18.0.103 at work now and it does features Event Style.

The bit depth selection was moved from "DSP Studio -> Output format" to the "Playback Options -> Output Mode" in the most recent version, as well.

THANK you, needless to say I'll stick with FooBar. Granted jRiver is an excellent program. But I like my FooBar set up

It has everything I want to see, Frequancy, left right channel, my play lists, my Folder Drop Box, the serach bar for said folders, as well as the Album view and the Current Selection views,

I could not get J River to display all of this at once :/ actually I wouldn't mind dtiching the Album to get a little EQ box there tbh

and in about two seconds, I removed the Spectograph as I don't need that, and replaced it with a little EQ box. YAY fooBAR your so GREAT. Granted it's not the most beauitiful thing ever but MAN it's got utility!

That said though, jRiver is a great video player <3 would use it more if it could do what FooBar does for me [and ofc you can make FooBar pretty, but I do agree making it look nice is cumbersome xD]

Sherwood · Aug 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM

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cute said:
There is no Wasapi Event mode in jRiver Mediacenter 18!

Of course there is! The current build defaults to WASAPI event style, you can disable event style via a radio button.

ferday · Aug 14, 2013 at 10:43 AM

mshenay said:
Yea... quick comparision over FooBar, J River sounds worse, bass is more boomy, treble is a little more sibilant. Mids a touch recessed. Sound Stage is a little wider but not as deep, and this is using J RIver 18, and FooBar v1.2.9 both on WASPAI Event out.

anyways moving on from that, jRiver is still the best Video player I've tried <3 and I'm happy to say it's going to remain my main Video Player [does any one know how to take quick screen shots in jRiver btw]

6 or 7 audio programs were measured including foobar and Jriver(here's one link there are others with more software) and guess what...all of the software claiming bit perfect, played bit perfect

There was NO audible difference in ANY parameters. All bit perfect software sounds the same. Bit perfect is just that, no coloration from the software.

Makiah S · Aug 14, 2013 at 10:53 AM

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ferday said:
6 or 7 audio programs were measured including foobar and Jriver(here's one link there are others with more software) and guess what...all of the software claiming bit perfect, played bit perfect

There was NO audible difference in ANY parameters. All bit perfect software sounds the same. Bit perfect is just that, no coloration from the software.

Well thank you, again there may have be some EQ's still set in jRiver from the first time I used it with music, and in fact in checking there was an eq active during that quick test

but bottom linemjRIVER is not better quality than FooBar <3. it's just prettier!

preproman · Aug 14, 2013 at 11:09 AM

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Well thank you, again there may have be some EQ's still set in jRiver from the first time I used it with music, and in fact in checking there was an eq active during that quick test

but bottom linemjRIVER is not better quality than FooBar <3. it's just prettier!

For some of us J. River "Does" do things better than foobar. SQ aside, because I can't tell the difference in either. The Library function blows foobar out the water. Theater View is another thing that just leaves Foobar in the dust.

So yes there's other things we can debate here. SQ is not one of them.

Clemmaster · Aug 14, 2013 at 11:13 AM

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ferday said:
6 or 7 audio programs were measured including foobar and Jriver(here's one link there are others with more software) and guess what...all of the software claiming bit perfect, played bit perfect

There was NO audible difference in ANY parameters. All bit perfect software sounds the same. Bit perfect is just that, no coloration from the software.

This is non-sense.
Bit-perfectness does not guaranty repeatable results because it does not take timing into account.
Timing is everything and is part of the reason why WASAPI and Kernel Streaming sound different on decent USB DACs.

ferday · Aug 14, 2013 at 11:20 AM

clemmaster said:
This is non-sense.
Bit-perfectness does not guaranty repeatable results because it does not take timing into account.
Timing is everything and is part of the reason why WASAPI and Kernel Streaming sound different on decent USB DACs.

Here's another link with a lot more info

http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/06/measurements-part-i-bit-perfect.html?m=1

You can feel whatever you like, I'm not going to call your opinions nonsense. But I am going to call them opinions. My ears and the measurements match-bit perfect is simply that.

Makiah S · Aug 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

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ferday said:
Here's another link with a lot more info

http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/06/measurements-part-i-bit-perfect.html?m=1

You can feel whatever you like, I'm not going to call your opinions nonsense. But I am going to call them opinions. My ears and the measurements match-bit perfect is simply that.

+1 the timing on both is great. Get over it <3
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preproman said:
For some of us J. River "Does" do things better than foobar. SQ aside, because I can't tell the difference in either. The Library function blows foobar out the water. Theater View is another thing that just leaves Foobar in the dust.

So yes there's other things we can debate here. SQ is not one of them.

[size=11.5pt]Absolutely, SQ aside jRiver and FooBar offer different methods for organizing, and that's just a matter of preference. [/size]

[size=11.5pt]For any one who enjoys the UI of jRiver for their Audio, more power to you. It's a great piece of software! That being said, I do enjoy jRiver for Videos

it's super duper! [/size]

AladdinSane · Aug 14, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I was close to loving JRiver and still may but I couldn't get it to import my MOV and MTS files although all settings appear to be correct. It only recognized some old AVI files. I also like the simplicity and utilitarian nature of Foobar. Likely Foobar use less resources as well with all the stuff going on in JRiver. I do like the Theater view in JRiver for audio files. That is most cool. I could be nudged if I could get it to see my video files! Likely I'll just use it for audio and Theater view when I'm in the mood. Running WASAPI on both pieces of software.

UPDATE: Found out my problem and it was me. Expecting these in "Home Video" where the AVIs imported to but they are there in the Files view. Only feeling mildly dumb.

jriver · Aug 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM

JackDiesel · Aug 16, 2013 at 5:00 PM

I currently use Media Monkey as my music player. I have a lot of 24/192 files and when I sync them to my Sony F807 I want to lower the sample rate to 96 to reduce the file size some. Media Monkey lets me do this but I need the Gold version which is $50. I'd rather spend that money on JRiver because I know I'll use it on my HTPC anyways. But does JRiver let me lower the sample rate when I sync songs to my DAP?

mnarwold · Aug 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM

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jackdiesel said:
I currently use Media Monkey as my music player. I have a lot of 24/192 files and when I sync them to my Sony F807 I want to lower the sample rate to 96 to reduce the file size some. Media Monkey lets me do this but I need the Gold version which is $50. I'd rather spend that money on JRiver because I know I'll use it on my HTPC anyways. But does JRiver let me lower the sample rate when I sync songs to my DAP?

It can change the sample rates, file type, add eq or any other dsp. It's pretty nifty.

ssag · Aug 23, 2013 at 4:23 PM

are there any improvements in ipod-support (meaning: is there any support for newer ipods?) in version 19?

anoxy · Aug 23, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Honest question: are there any programs other than iTunes that allow you to manage your iDevice?

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