iFi iDSD Micro DSD512 / PCM768 DAC and Headphone Amp. Impressions, Reviews and Comments.
Jan 10, 2016 at 10:03 PM Post #5,116 of 9,047
I'm not sure about Sony, i tried on all the Fiio product you mention.  I didn't buy any, if you compare USB-omputer vs Coax-Fiio, it makes a big different level. Non on the Fiio is close to the SQ of iDsd. Next i would like to try android phone too.

Thank you for the response. I have the iDSD home and I pair it with my iPhone 6s+ using Onkyo player, Grado SR325 and Some DSD music, also bought Roger Waters and Supertramp 192khz from hdtracks.
It sounds really good and they are about the same height so they look good together.
It does make the Grados sound brighter than what I would want them to thou.
Otherwise I'm happy with setup and probably won't be getting a Dap, since digital signal is just digital right?thanks again.
 
Jan 11, 2016 at 3:16 AM Post #5,117 of 9,047
  I have iFi Micro iDSD (was originally coming with 4.06 firmware) for a week or so... sound-wise I like them a lot, thanks...

I have problem with USB-3 connections (PC, 2014 production, Intel i7, 16GB RAM, MSI gaming-motherboard)
I can't get rid of random weaker clicks and louder cracks during listening of music. It was more annoying with original 4.06 firmware, after updating to latest v5 firmware, there is less cliks/cracks, but still all time there (no 'clean' signal over 15 sec is possible?!).

But everything is OK with USB-2 connection...
 
Nothing changes if trying different setups on iDSD itself.
 
Software in user is Foobar200 and changing any changeable parameters there did not helped to get rid of clicks at all
 
If I stick with USB-2 connection only, am I missing something or not??
 
Thank You for possible solutions-suggestions...
 
EDIT/added: Important, upper-mentioned problem was some mysterious 'week ago' problem, just now I switched back from USB-2 to USB-3 connection and for some mysterious reason (iDSD burn-in?) now there is only minor (not loud) clicks, about 1 during one minute with USB-3 connection. I did not changed anything during the week (nor with PC, nor with iDSD device, nor with Foobar2000 setup). HMM! Maye soon are all USB-3 related clicks gone?

 
 
Hi,
 
It is hard to be sure what is going on. Some USB 3 Chipsets/Drivers are known to have an issue. Running on USB 2.0 is fine.
 
Please open a Ticket on the Support system if you would like our technicians to look a little more into the USB 3.0 Issue with you.
 
Cheers.
 
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Jan 11, 2016 at 5:03 AM Post #5,119 of 9,047
   
 
Hi,
 
It is hard to be sure what is going on. Some USB 3 Chipsets/Drivers are known to have issue. Running on USB 2.0 is fine.
 
Please open a Ticket on the Support system if you would like our technicians to look a little more into the USB 3.0 Issue with you.
 
Cheers.

 
Thank You for comment!
 
Strangely, it seems that for now almost all clicks are 'vanished' when connecting through USB-3.
I could even use coax-out with PC, because MSI motherboard's 'built-in soundcard' has actually coax-out (up to 192/24) too.
Actually it's good anyway that even newest PC-s have older USB-2 connection too, because some USB-devices (like some video-capture etc. cards) work properly through USB-2 but not with USB-3.
 
Jan 11, 2016 at 5:15 AM Post #5,120 of 9,047
  Anyone have pair iDSD with Sony ZX2 ?

 
Yes, 'pairable' with the ZX2. You may wish to look at this first.
 
Level 2 and upwards - mainly the dedicated Sony connection cable.
1 x Sony USB conversion cable for audio output WMC-NWH10
 
http://ifi-audio.com/improve/page/2/

We have Z2 phone and Z2 tablet (with OTG).
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Jan 14, 2016 at 2:50 PM Post #5,123 of 9,047

Are there any plans by Ifi to come out with a balanced iDSD?
 
Jan 16, 2016 at 5:51 PM Post #5,125 of 9,047

ifI iDSD Micro Impressions

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I have had this piece of gear for a week or so. It was passed on to me from @nmatheis  when I didn't really have anything to run the HEX off of because my desktop was being fixed. So I had it up against my desktop one it got fixed geek pulse infinity>liquid carbon not to really compare between the two but to just get my bearings. 
 
Things I noticed:
  1. VERY POWERFUL
  2. Detailed and transparent
  3. Good imaging/ decent soundstage
  4. less meshy sounding than the JDS Labs Element if I recall right but could be wrong the Element has more bass warmth if I recall right but is more fun sounding overall.
  5. Good build
  6. tons of options!
  7. no noise with the iem I tried here. 
  8. not gritty sounding
  9. fast transients
  10. not really aggressive and good balanced sound
Things I didn't like:
  1. bass boost is very mediocre at best, actually kinda sucks
  2. 3d switch is good on some recordings but really is just boosting the volume, presence region, and lower treble. I get a bit more height but that's all I can detect. 
 
 
I don't really want to compare the DAC section to my infinity because it's not really fair. but the Inifinity DAC has a less prominent upper mid section and tighter bass with a more spacious sound. 
 
AMP section vs the Liquid Carbon (with IDSD as DAC) reveals the amp is pretty strong in the presence region, possibly the dac again but also not as good at imaging and sound separation. An instant switch to the DSD and the sound flattens in depth of dimension and width but still maintains a good amount of transparency and detail retrieval. The micro dynamics flatten a bit too when I switch and the bass is less tight. The bass loses a smidgen of density and weight. While I can say that the iDSD is transparent, its def not on the same level as the Liquid carbon. Again, this is with the IDSD as the DAC feeding both and the ability to switch in between the two very easily. They are not meant to be in the same class but this is just incase someone was wondering. Also I should mention that I had to use the inferior single end of the Liquid carbon to test these two together instead of my balanced cable. 
 
I have read the Ifi being boring but I do not understand that review on Headfonia. Imo, even though the bass isn't the star of the show, its a forthright and full sounding piece of gear with the ability to translate the musics energy properly. For a portable piece of gear I am actually impressed that I get sound this good. Very Impressed!!! Sure the instruments do not have the localization of the LC or the DAC be on the same level as the infinity plus lps but But I would be very sad if my desktop gear didn't handily beat it.
 
 I would buy one and just might. Usually after actually hearing gear I nitpick at something and want to go and search for something else instead but not here. 
This is my first audition of an Ifi product.   Is it Ifi or ifI  i dont know whatever it sounds good to me. You may notice the volume difference. The ifI is very powerful. More so than the other pieces of gear here. 
 
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Jan 16, 2016 at 7:33 PM Post #5,126 of 9,047
Nice impressions of the Micro.
 
Originally got a Micro was to transcode to DSD on the fly (to remove harshness). Recently made some tweaks to my desktop setup and can't think of a more versatile dac/amp. Every time I get used to the Micro's sound, changing the digital filter or using the xbass/3d makes it sound like a different dac/amp. Rarely use the Turbo mode but know it has lots of power to spare and I like having the option of using it on battery too (for less usb noise).
 
Hard to believe its portable. Even harder to beat as an all-in-one desktop solution without spending a lot more (for small improvements).
 
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 4:33 AM Post #5,127 of 9,047
 

ifI iDSD Micro Impressions

 ​
 
I have had this piece of gear for a week or so. It was passed on to me from @nmatheis  when I didn't really have anything to run the HEX off of because my desktop was being fixed. So I had it up against my desktop one it got fixed geek pulse infinity>liquid carbon not to really compare between the two but to just get my bearings. 
 
Things I noticed:
  1. VERY POWERFUL
  2. Detailed and transparent
  3. Good imaging/ decent soundstage
  4. less meshy sounding than the JDS Labs Element if I recall right but could be wrong the Element has more bass warmth if I recall right but is more fun sounding overall.
  5. Good build
  6. tons of options!
  7. no noise with the iem I tried here. 
  8. not gritty sounding
  9. fast transients
  10. not really aggressive and good balanced sound
Things I didn't like:
  1. bass boost is very mediocre at best, actually kinda sucks
  2. 3d switch is good on some recordings but really is just boosting the volume, presence region, and lower treble. I get a bit more height but that's all I can detect. 
 
 
I don't really want to compare the DAC section to my infinity because it's not really fair. but the Inifinity DAC has a less prominent upper mid section and tighter bass with a more spacious sound. 
 
AMP section vs the Liquid Carbon (with IDSD as DAC) reveals the amp is pretty strong in the presence region, possibly the dac again but also not as good at imaging and sound separation. An instant switch to the DSD and the sound flattens in depth of dimension and width but still maintains a good amount of transparency and detail retrieval. The micro dynamics flatten a bit too when I switch and the bass is less tight. The bass loses a smidgen of density and weight. While I can say that the iDSD is transparent, its def not on the same level as the Liquid carbon. Again, this is with the IDSD as the DAC feeding both and the ability to switch in between the two very easily. They are not meant to be in the same class but this is just incase someone was wondering. Also I should mention that I had to use the inferior single end of the Liquid carbon to test these two together instead of my balanced cable. 
 
I have read the Ifi being boring but I do not understand that review on Headfonia. Imo, even though the bass isn't the star of the show, its a forthright and full sounding piece of gear with the ability to translate the musics energy properly. For a portable piece of gear I am actually impressed that I get sound this good. Very Impressed!!! Sure the instruments do not have the localization of the LC or the DAC be on the same level as the infinity plus lps but But I would be very sad if my desktop gear didn't handily beat it.
 
 I would buy one and just might. Usually after actually hearing gear I nitpick at something and want to go and search for something else instead but not here. 
This is my first audition of an Ifi product.   Is it Ifi or ifI  i dont know whatever it sounds good to me. You may notice the volume difference. The ifI is very powerful. More so than the other pieces of gear here. 
 
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Outstanding work! I have read through much of this thread considering this as an alternative to my desktop system, not a replacement, and you nailed it for me. Excellent description in every sense and one of the most useful in this very long thread.
 
Jan 17, 2016 at 11:38 PM Post #5,128 of 9,047
 
If you will be using the volume control on the Yamaha RX V357, set the iDSD Output to "Direct" - this will put the iDSD in "line out" mode, and will be the best setting if you are using the volume control on the Yamaha.
 
If you want to use the volume control of the iDSD and leave the Yamaha set to a fixed volume, set the iDSD to "Preamplifier" - this will allow the volume to be controlled from the iDSD.
 
In general, I would think you'd want to set the iDSD to "Direct" and control the volume via the Yamaha.


I used my iDSD in Direct while waiting for my Vega DAC to return. Sounded great and DSD256 with no hiccups using JRMC.
 
Jan 18, 2016 at 10:21 AM Post #5,130 of 9,047
  Has anybody measured the latency of iDSD in ms (via DirectSound or CoreAudio, under Win8/10 x64)? Is it low enough to be useful for gaming?

 
Hi,
 
Latency depends on Driver Buffer settings (ASIO) and on sample rate. Using the standard USB Drivers OSX/Windows manages the buffers.
 
Windows Audio running in Shared Mode always has 10mS buffering (latency), iDSD micro (especially in DSD mode or in Bitperfect) has much less delay than that.
With ASIO sound or WASAPI latency may be less than 10mS, depending on the buffer settings ASIO may also have substantially more latency than 10mS.
 
Cheers.
 
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