[WhiteCrow]

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I owned the lyr and he500 a long time ago. I more recently owned the Asgard/Bifrost and d5k. I thought that the d5k sounded very good with the AG/BF. There was no noise for me.

the Lyr and Asgaurd are two different amps though. The Lyr is a noisy amp with sensitive headphones it seems, the RS2, D2k, HE-400, and DT1350 all have noise through it to varying degrease. but the Senn 595, and he-500 don't.

 

[daniel521]

Should I get the he400 or the he500 if I listen to rock and metal? Which one will bet better for me? What are the pro and cons of each one when listening to rock and metal?

 

[MattTCG]

In a nutshell, the he400 has a stronger bass response and the he500 has better mids. The he400 is pretty easy to amp, while he500 needs a stronger amp. He400 cost less. 

 

[daniel521]

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In a nutshell, the he400 has a stronger bass response and the he500 has better mids. The he400 is pretty easy to amp, while he500 needs a stronger amp. He400 cost less. 

Will bass be important when listening to rock and metal? If not i'll get the he500 for the mids and treble.

 

[TMRaven]

I'd argue that mids are the most important for rock, but a good mid-bass slam is always nice for kick-drum.  

 

[daniel521]

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I'd argue that mids are the most important for rock, but a good mid-bass slam is always nice for kick-drum.  

Are mids more important than bass for metal too? In case I need some extra bass for a specific type of music when listening to the he500, does the NFB12.1 have a bass boost or something like that?

 

[daniel521]

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I'd argue that mids are the most important for rock, but a good mid-bass slam is always nice for kick-drum.  

there's something else I wanted to ask, I thought that the mids in the ath-m50 were recessed, are the mids in the he500 more forward than the m50 or just as recessed? (or even more)

 

[captouch]

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Are mids more important than bass for metal too? In case I need some extra bass for a specific type of music when listening to the he500, does the NFB12.1 have a bass boost or something like that?

 
There's no bass boost, but I always found my NFB 12 to have the most bass impact (marginally, not night and day) versus my other modern amps.

 

[K_19]

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Are mids more important than bass for metal too? In case I need some extra bass for a specific type of music when listening to the he500, does the NFB12.1 have a bass boost or something like that?

 
If you want a fullsize amp with bass boost option, M3 is still a good choice. Has enough power for orthos (it can amp my LCD-2 decently well).
 
The boost is more of a lower bass boost than midbass though.

 

[WhiteCrow]

yeah I listen to a lot of rock and metal , I still disagree about the HE-400 having stronger bass but I don't really think you can go wrong for that genera with either of them. It's really all about preference.

 

[daniel521]

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yeah I listen to a lot of rock and metal , I still disagree about the HE-400 having stronger bass but I don't really think you can go wrong for that genera with either of them. It's really all about preference.

Do you think there is a significant difference between the two or will is it a very small difference?

 

[WhiteCrow]

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Do you think there is a significant difference between the two or will is it a very small difference?

well IMO the HE-400 are the little brother of the HE-500 clearly. the HE-400 highend is kind of all over the place, some times it's sibilant, others it's not. the HE-500 over all is just a much smoother headphone over all. To my ears it's a big difference, they are both great headphones but the HE-500 are the clear winner WHEN PROPERLY AMPED. when running under powered the HE-400 trump them every time.

 

[TMRaven]

Can you comment on bass extension specifically for the two Whitecrow?  I found the HE-400 to be solid down to 40hz, taper down to 30hz, and drastically rolloff after that.  How does the 500 compare?

 

[paradoxper]

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well IMO the HE-400 are the little brother of the HE-500 clearly. the HE-400 highend is kind of all over the place, some times it's sibilant, others it's not. the HE-500 over all is just a much smoother headphone over all. To my ears it's a big difference, they are both great headphones but the HE-500 are the clear winner WHEN PROPERLY AMPED. when running under powered the HE-400 trump them every time.

The HE-400 is wonky at times. I just don't think it has a clear identity. And yea, when properly amped the HE-500 is quite better than 
the HE-400

 

[jerg]

I found HE400's treble quite interesting when generously amped actually (tried it on the EF6 and Bryston BHA1), it turns into a very polite and somewhat laid-back treble that I found to be more speakerlike than the bigger siblings (both HE500 and HE6) as well as LCD2, which were smoother, more detailed, but at the same time more aggressive and headphone-like (HE6>LCD2>HE500 in terms of aggressiveness), certainly not in a bad way though. The LCD3s had the best of both worlds, smooth, full, detailed treble that was not aggressive or invasive by any stretch of imagination, just an effortless bliss.