No info on the Shuoer site. The Mangrid are 18ohm and work flawlessly on those AZ09 Pro. When you do the triple-click no the left adapter too, it kicks it into overdrive. Variations are 15ohm but I can't get them connected to them. I think i can file down a part of the tip on the adapters. Seems to be a little plastic lip, maybe 1 or so mm. Trying to muster up that courage and go for it.
What I found was 14 ohm and a sensitivity of 103. It's a planar though. Not normally a set I would put on a source like the AZ09 pro. I could be wrong though. The teas should have no problem or the variations as far as output power but planar need a bit more to bring them to their potential, most of the time. The good thing is the az09 pro are pretty damn cheap so it wouldn't hurt quite as bad. Truthfully if he had a magic ball and new he wouldn't have issues than the Fiio's should be just about okay to drive them. Again I could be wrong, I don't own or haven't tried the s12, it's just something to take into Consideration
And I am sure they are great products. I just felt betrayed and ignored as a loyal customer, so they could move on to android, and they never looked back. Again, I don't hold any real grudge at this point. I have just found that for the money to sound to features ratio, iBasso has been better for my wallet than Fiio (except maybe those UTWx, which I really would like to try sometime hehe).
Don't be scared off. Don't listen to me. I am ranting about something that happened many years ago. Fiio could not stand among the top DAP makers if they weren't doing something right. You will never know until you try. That is half of what this hobby is about (experimentation with the goal of top sound to your ears).
Remember that with planars knowing the impedance and sensitivity doesn't help much. Having lower impedance, and high sensitivity (with planers) only means that it can run on anything. Having more current (not voltage) available will drive them to their full potential. The problem is that nobody knows what that magical number is because the headphone/IEM makers don't release amperage requirements (because all other speakers don't need to give this measurement). Plus, if they release this information, even at cheaper prices, less people will buy them thinking they need a higher-powered amp to drive them. They want to sell them to the masses...
The Sh12s are 16 ohms. From what I know that means they should not be hard to drive. Sensitivity is 102+/-1DB@1Khz. What does that mean amp-wise? I plan to plug them into various amps I have from back in the day (of wires) just to see how they sound, and if the output seems weak then I'll go ahead and open up the FIIO. But most of those various amps happen to be FIIOs that had seen little use and I'd rather not add these to that pile.
Yeah, I'm just afraid that it prob wouldn't sound all that great. It would likely play through them but just not with any good quality. The p1's are renowned for being difficult to drive. The Timeless love power as well, more power the better. I don't know about the s12 but history kind of tells us that it may not work too well. Truthfully I don't know for sure the Fiio's will drive them really well.And I am sure they are great products. I just felt betrayed and ignored as a loyal customer, so they could move on to android, and they never looked back. Again, I don't hold any real grudge at this point. I have just found that for the money to sound to features ratio, iBasso has been better for my wallet than Fiio (except maybe those UTWx, which I really would like to try sometime hehe).
Don't be scared off. Don't listen to me. I am ranting about something that happened many years ago. Fiio could not stand among the top DAP makers if they weren't doing something right. You will never know until you try. That is half of what this hobby is about (experimentation with the goal of top sound to your ears).
Remember that with planars knowing the impedance and sensitivity doesn't help much. Having lower impedance, and high sensitivity (with planers) only means that it can run on anything. Having more current (not voltage) available will drive them to their full potential. The problem is that nobody knows what that magical number is because the headphone/IEM makers don't release amperage requirements (because all other speakers don't need to give this measurement). Plus, if they release this information, even at cheaper prices, less people will buy them thinking they need a higher-powered amp to drive them. They want to sell them to the masses...
But you are right, they might not get fully driven with the AZ09. I remember when @miserybeforethemusic did a test with the iBasso CF01 and the Tinhifi P1. They could be driven with the CF, but there was barely any headroom, and it was definitely not to their full potential, as was shown by him listening to the same stuff through his A&K afterwards. Good Call!
In all honesty I wouldn't sweat it either way. If you like it, then it doesn't matter. Don't let the thought of them possibly not being driven to full potential get into your head. They will drive and get pretty loud from a weak phone. They simply will scale better with better amping is all.
You certainly make compelling points. I think the Timeless drive from far less because they are way more sensitive than the P1, which are only 93. But they do both scale very well with good amping.
Okay cool. Well, I did do the hack and filed off some of the extra lip on those AZ09 Pro. They fit the Moondrop Variations great now and they sure as hell power them really well. Just as good as the Fiio IMO. You can do full power mode or not. If these suckers power the Variation and the Mangird Tea, I can't imagine they wouldn't power those Sh12s. But I'm no expert.
Yup, we're all chasing a dream that never ends.In the end we all want to think that that $200 we spent bought us the best IEM/headphone/TWS/earbud in the world, and everyone else must be crazy. And there are certainly those gems that DO punch in at much higher than their price tag (ie Audiosense T800), but other times, everyone but you think they are a turd...... Be proud of them, I say!
Tell you what though... I would love to get my hands on the s12. They look very nice. If they can compete with the Timeless then.... That is saying something. I've only seen a couple reviews on them and they've been positive. Also, dude in no way was I trying to scare you off. I was talking about potential and that may have gotten lost there. The az09 pro are no slouch... At all. For the price I really enjoy them, hell for double the price I'd enjoy them. I think you'll be pretty happy with that set though and I can't wait to hear what you think of them
The graphs between the two (Timeless, S12) look eerily similar, even though LETSHUOER (yeah they say it supposed to be all caps) says they are totally different drivers. The highs look a bit better on the S12, but graphs aren't "end-all-be-all" after all.
100%...Ya I agree with you about graphs... Some people live and die by them. Which is fine,...but a bit deceiving at times, or, it just doesn't always paint the whole picture. I think the natural set to pit the s12 against would be the Timeless at this point. I am intrigued by the S12 for sure. I am about out of funds at the moment for more audio devices lol... I suppose I will live through others for a bit on this one.. Lol
I dunno'. I might have to check out the P1+ for giggles. @ RikudouGoku seems to think they are much improved from the OG P1, and he scored the P1 pretty high, even though he thought them bright (which I did not). I am not too sure about them being better though, because the P1 are the planar IEM that all others must stack up to (IMO), being the first BIG seller of planar IEM (iSine10 don't really count because they sucked until they released the Cypher cable).
