Steve Eddy
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
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Talk to one of the electrical engineers who works for them, and not the president, spokesperson or marketing arm of one of those companies... then we'll talk.
The head engineer of a company in the business of selling me cables, isn't who I am really willing to accept the word of. I want to see the science behind the claims. Good theory supported by good experimentation and data. That's all I ask. So far, all I'm getting is testimonials... not evidence.
I personally find it all rather interesting without taking a strong stance either way
It is clear though that what he is suggesting above is that current available technologies for measurements concerning all
founded and unfounded aspects of cables may be in their nacent stage. Simply looking at it from a measurement of
capacitance and inductance etc perspective does give us the full picture on what is happening on a more molecular
level.
This argument is as old as the hills - there was a time in the scientific community when it could not explain
the Northern Lights - the rationale at the time by the community? That those individuals must be mentally ill
or suffering from a hallucinatory disorder.
Not much has changed.
It is clear though that what he is suggesting above is that current available technologies for measurements concerning all
founded and unfounded aspects of cables may be in their nacent stage. Simply looking at it from a measurement of
capacitance and inductance etc perspective does give us the full picture on what is happening on a more molecular
level.
This argument is as old as the hills - there was a time in the scientific community when it could not explain
the Northern Lights - the rationale at the time by the community? That those individuals must be mentally ill
or suffering from a hallucinatory disorder.
Sorry, but I'm afraid I can't find it anything but sad and depressing.
Except that any effects of the sorts of things he's talking about in the article would be buried well below the thermal noise of the wire itself. Are you suggesting that while you're listening to music at 80-90dB, you're going to be able to hear anything going on well below the thermal noise of the wire? Really?
The author never even states what the supposed consequences are. Just that there's things going on at the quantum level and by golly, that's audible.
As I said, I find it nothing more than sad and depressing.
You have any citation for that?
While a valid explanation of the Northern Lights remained elusive for quite some time, they have been known to western civilization for millennia and I'm not aware of the scientific community ever explaining then as the result of mental illness or hallucinations.
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You can find an on-going argument concerning the Northern lights in respect to sound - some argue that this phenomena produces audible noises like pops and
crackles
"Some people claim to hear noises associated with the northern lights, but documenting this phenomenon has been difficult."
But once again the science is still playing catch-up - there is no definitive explanation for why so many personal visiting folk attest to this
noise and so again ~ personal testimony is disregarded as worthless and meaningless until the tools/analysis are up to task.
I feel that the real sad and depressing aspect here Steve is your stead-fast opinions that are not really open to discussion or possibilities
that are beyond your very own contemplation and understanding.
Your opinions would not change ~ that does not really make for interesting conversation.
Finally - I really do fail to see the brand building benefits or customer satisfaction in actively telling your customers
to 'burn-in' the product if it really does not need it in the first place. Most folks these days want instant results,
if anything cable makers should be promoting a 'plug and play' approach. But they don't. Why?
Cynical answer? I'll provide a sample scenario - when a customer gets a product that doesn't make a difference in the sound of their system - and the recommendation is that the have to use it for 100, 200 or 1000 hours before it "settles in" or "burns in" by the time that period is up, their auditory memory is not sufficient to tell if there is a difference after a week or two or five, and they'd feel silly returning a product well after the 14 day trial period. And heck you already spent the money, and look at all these famous people who claim it makes a difference - there *must* be something to it, right? I guess things *do* sound *bit* brighter than I remember them two weeks ago... surely that's the the new expensive cable... right?
And of course, I they didn't buy two identical cables to burn one, and leave the other - and don't really want to bother with a blind test anyway (after all, I'd feel silly if I spent that much for no reason), plus look at all these famous people who *swear* by them... surely there must be something to it, right?
I guess I'll look online at my favorite forum - oh, and look there are so many people there saying it sounds brighter for them too.. I guess I'll chip in with my *impressions* from a few weeks ago... I know there are people asking for evidence, but I trust my own ears... or at least it looks like I should... I mean, science doesn't know everything right? And I spent all this money, there must be something to it, right? the Cable company is started by an engineer it says, and he talks about the changes I should expect, so that's reassuring... I'll listen for that when I plug it in again...