[doobooloo]

Many people here have complained how over the years their E888s started sounding terrible compared to brand new (broken in) pieces.

Now, they use the same diaphragm material as the CD3000 and the R10.

Does the same thing happen to the CD3000 / R10? Where too much use / several years of time will "deteriorate" the drivers?

 

[markl]

I have a 10 year old pair and a 2 year old pair of R10s. They sound the same.

Mark

 

[doobooloo]

tw... two pairs of R-10s?...

ok... so have you used the 10 year old pair for 10 years or recently bought a NOS?

also then... if it's not the diaphragm material, what could be the source of the E888s' deterioration?

 

[markl]

Well, the ten year old pair spent about 7 years in a shop window. It's been used for about 3 years. When I asked Audio Advancements this same question, his answer was that the R10s are "built for life" and would not deteriorate.

Mark

 

[Duncan]

I wonder if its because the bigger 'phones (CD1700, 2000, 3000 & R10) are... well, bigger...

Maybe the smaller ones just give up more easily... after all what'd be easy to manufacter to a high(er) quality... something that is 16mm across, or 50mm?

I don't know?!

 

[r3cc0s]

hrm... i think just like any speaker headphones will eventually deterorate from the amount of hours of being used, and years...
i mean maybe the material could start to dry, surrounds loosen.

if kept well and listended to alot, i would assume the sound would start to warm up, as the surrounds and material wouldn't be as tight as a brand brand new set...

but i'm sure it'll take way beyond typical usage to really do anything like that.

my 6 year old rs2's sound beautiful and they were used alot

 

[Digital-Monk]

Quote:

Originally posted by markl his answer was that the R10s are "built for life" and would not deteriorate. Mark

Sounds like sales talk to me. Eventually everything deteriorates. Obviously some things faster than others.

One would hope that drivers of quality headphones would be built to last several thousand hours.

 

[Andrew Pielet]

I think earplugs are more susceptable to wear and tear. I have dropped my E1's countless times, yet I have always had a good grip on my D-77's. Same for my other earbuds. I really don't even think twice when I drop some of my buds. (well some of my buds).

 

[Hirsch]

Quote:

Originally posted by r3cc0s hrm... i think just like any speaker headphones will eventually deterorate from the amount of hours of being used, and years... i mean maybe the material could start to dry, surrounds loosen.

The drivers on my KEF 101.1's from the late 70's are still going strong. Some of the crossover components have needed replacement, though

 

[Mike Scarpitti]

Quote:

Originally posted by Hirsch The drivers on my KEF 101.1's from the late 70's are still going strong. Some of the crossover components have needed replacement, though

Which is why some surrounds are often replaced. My Yamaha NS1000M's are still going strong, and these must be 25 years old!

 

[doobooloo]

but there's still got to be something special about that bio-cellulose diaphragm... after all, it is more organic than anything else, i would suspect it is more prone to deterioration...?

i mean, there really isn't much talk about other earbuds going bad after several years other than the 888s... and what really differentiates the 888s is their bio-cellulose diaphragm...

 

[markl]

To me, this is all idle speculation. We have no way of knowing how the biocellulose is created and implemeted in either headphone, what it really is about them that is wearing out, or even if in fact the phenomenon is real, or just anecdotal. I don't read a lot of posts about earbuds, so I'm not versed in the background of this, but I wouldn't worry much about the CD3000s wearing out. It's a totally different phone in virtually every respect.

Sure "biocellulose" is an organic material, but so are wood and paper and bone. Of course, everything wears out over time, but not in a couple years time.

Mark

 

[MrSiki99]

dont the r10's cost around $25,000

 

[Vertigo-1]

Knock off one zero and you'll be right.

 

[MrSiki99]

only $2500? My friend kept telling me they go for $25k.......man i thought that guy with 2 was a madman for a second....altho 2500 is still quote a bit by my standards. Now all he needs is oprheus.