what about altec lansing?? they're pretty cheap too. same crap as logitech? no one's said anything (like the atp3 which has been around forever

I think it is unfair to bash logitech because you didn't pay a grand for it. You paid for what you get.


I believe if I were to bash, I rather bash BOSE or B&O for that matter.

save money for something like ..
Mackie HR 824...
Dynaudio BM15...
ADAM S3....
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I'll follow you wherever you'll be going with that!

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I love my PM 14's. I don't think I will ever bother with another computer setup..Id put money into a good receiver and the such before doing that.

A friend of mine got a pair of Logitech Z-somethings (the forerunner to the Z-3, whatever that was) and I thought they weren't too bad, for the money. Yes, the bass was bloated, and a bit muddy, but for casual listening, they were fine. As long as you don't go in expecting audiophile nirvana, I don't think you'll have too much of a problem. I expect my computer speakers to sound like computer speakers, and my cans to sound like bliss

My brother wants to buy some cheap speakers so he can crank his music and go deaf (not that that needs any helping; he sits in front of the percussion in the middle school band, and he can get sick from the loudness, yet he refuses to buy anything to protect his hearing like the Etymotic ER-20). While I was up in the cities I went to Best Buy and demoed their computer speakers. [BTW, funny story: as I was demoing the speakers one of the sales guys walked by me and said "Hey, that's the first time the demo has worked in a week!"] Here are my ultra-quickie impressions made in a loud store with ultra-compressed (as in MP3) music I was unfamiliar with:

Creative Labs 2.1 system: Okay, a bit lacking in highs and bass. They look nice though.

Bose 2.1 system: Yuck! No highs, okay mids, horrible boomy midbass. Don't buy, unless you need something really, really small.

Klipsh ProMedias: Best of the bunch. Most refined of the bunch and had good highs and mids, though the bass was a bit flabby. IMHO spending another $50 to get some used bookshelves w/ a Sonic Impact T-AMP would probably be much better though.

Klipsh 5.1 system: Not as good as the ProMedias, though better than the others. The sub looked like it was pretty good.

Logitech Z680: Bass. All bass, even with the sub turned to the lowest setting. If you're a basshead get this, everyone else can get the ProMedias.

yeah, logitech is crap. while they may not be bad for the money (though i would much rather put the 250-300 towards something else and a set of pm2.1s or altec mx5021s).

i hate their fanboy folliowing. they have no idea what they're listenening for, and have the ears of 16 year olds who wants 4x15inch subs in their trunk. they always interject and just name you a "klipsch fanbaoy" as thier response. you can find plenty of those over at anandtech and hard forums. sigh.

i suppose i'll just stick to my etys and 580s for some real listening. side note, klipsch rocks for MM speakers. the ultra sub is amazing for MM.

hey audiophiles, i suggest you all go over to AT forums, do a search for logitech, and put all those fanboys back into their place.

The only computer speaker system that convinced me so far was JBL's Control Media, a powered/active version of the Control One. Unfortunately, msrp was somewhat high - and it's no longer available, anyway. Canton still offers their similar Plus Media 3 system, though, but I haven't heard it yet.

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone of you have heard XHifi or H/K Soundstick II comp speakers? how do they compeare to Aego2 or other "hifi" computer speakers. I haven't heard a comp speaker which I would title hifi, but I've heard good ones, like Aego2 which is truly worth every penny, I was even thinking about buying them to accompany my tely before I can afford a real speakers and an amp. But does anyone of you have any experiencies about those, Soundstick II or XHifi ?H/K Soundstick II Xhifi

My setup for my computer is as follows:

Swans M200 2.0 from Newegg.com for 187 shipped

Dayton 10" Subwoofer from Partsexpress.com for 114 shipped

Total $301.

My music sounds awesome! I am but a poor college student who loves his music, and saved up money to buy these. I am really happy with my choices, although the Swans and Dayton do not really come with manuals.. had to figure out the stripping wires and etc by myself .

I'm going to play devil's advocate here...

When my roomate had a Logitech Z560 "speaker system" for his PC, it sounded terrible. However, when he moved out, he said that he couldn't take them with him. I took them with me and gave them to my family, as they were setting up a home theater system with a projector and a 5.1 sound setup.

So, I took five of the speakers (the subwoofer amp died on those speakers twice, so he got a new pair for free from Logitech, but the speakers still work fine ) and I bought a Polk subwoofer. Don't get me wrong, Polk subs aren't that great in large rooms, but in this room, it was perfect - and it was a good price.

So, I set up the five logitech speakers with the Polk sub and I was in for a treat. The speakers sounded REALLY good coming from the setup I had put them in. It wasn't anything special - a 150 dollar Pioneer HT receiver, a Polk sub, and five Logitech Z560 satelite speakers.

Once they got outside of the crappy PC source environment, and started being powered by a REAL amp/receiver, they came to life! With the addition of a REAL sub (even though it isn't that extended) the setup sounded great.

I am not saying that Logitech has good products - how many people will be put in the situation as I was put in?

I'm sure it wasn't intentional either, but what's the point in building a car that's good for the snow if you're selling it in Florida?

The point is that in some situations I was able to make great use out of these crappy speakers, but more money was involved and the normal user of these speakers would in no situation have to do what I did.

All in all, however, I am happy with the speakers that I didn't purchase If I had to make the decision, I would have definitely NEVER even thought of these speakers. But, well, they were free, and for some reason they sound VERY good now.
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Where exactly are your parents in this? Why is the band leader letting kids sit with unprotected hearing?

alu: heh, there's more types of nerd in the world than audio nerds...go ask a high-level PC gamer if there's no difference between mice as long as they're not a no-name brand. Alternatively, just go take away their high-end Logitech or Razer and give 'em a $10 cheapest-Microsoft-optical-mouse and say 'what's the difference, they're all just mice!' It'd be a bit like someone coming over, stealing your modded 650s with $1k amp, giving you a pair of stock Sony earbuds and saying 'what's the difference, they're all just headphones!'

anyways, I agree with the non-bashers here. I've got logitech z-5300s. They're pants. But they're exactly as pants as I expected to get having paid $200 for them. I mean there's people here comparing them to a) bookshelf speakers (hello, you only get two! half the point in buying speakers like this is the surround sound) b) much, much more expensive 'real hi-fi' equipment and c) quite a lot more expensive Klipsch computer stuff. I still think, for $200 on a surround-sound setup, there's nothing at all wrong with a set of Logitechs. Of course you can buy something a bit more audiophile-y, spend more money and get better music (though your movies probably won't sound as good, or your games). But that's not really the point, is it?

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I agree, the sats are actually quite decent on their own, but due to a high crossover of about 180 Hz and plastic enclosure with no wool etc. inside they sound outright TERRIBLE with the sub. They are very tight sounding and precise for their size but obviously has little bass on their own. I'll bet that they will be even better in wooled MDF enclosures or similar, they are good for speech especially. The drivers are made by Tangband - http://www.tb-speaker.com and searching around the net, a lot of people actually use their full-range drivers for DIY speaker projects at a low budget.
Nothing wrong with the speakers - it's just Logitech has no clue whatsoever what good sound is and they managed to ruin o.k. speaker elements completely with a mismatched sub, too high crossover, bad speaker enclosure and lousy quality (many units have died and still do - they develop much heat since they are very inefficient but low-cost amps). Not even the price is good when you consider that you get far worser sound than what the speakers are capable of.

EDIT: Ever wondered why they have no treble extension on the stock Z560/Z680 set ? Look at the charts here for example: http://www.tb-speaker.com/detail/1208_03/w3-594s.asp
See the impedance ? Now you know why the crossover is so high - t eliminate the fact that the amp can't drive them properly at the impedance of 50 Ohm... unfortunately for Logitech the impedance escalates at the treble region up to 30 Ohm at 20 kHz. That's not an easy speaker to drive at all.