Focal Elear and Utopia Review / Preview With Measurements - Head-Fi TV
Jun 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM Post #961 of 5,632
  Mmm....for Focal owners, what is the build quality like? Is it built like a tank (can take a lot of abuse) or is it flimsy/sloppily-built that will fall apart in the face of normal wear and tear?

like a pretty tank that will scratch and show signs of wear easily but wont fall apart. 
 
Also I am not sure anyone has theirs yet. Those that did should have sent them back. 
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 2:31 PM Post #962 of 5,632
For those that have provided information and impressions, I would like to thank you for your input. Please continue to post and don't be discouraged.
 
I do have a constructive suggestion though -- when comparing headphones to describe the new Focals, I think it would be good to phrase things to emphasize the positives of the Focals rather than the negatives of other products. So rather than saying the Utopia has way less distortion than the HD800 (implying the HD800 suffers from distortion), it might be better to say you think the Utopia sounds cleaner / more natural / more open.  Rather than describing the HE400i's bass as muddy, you could say you find the Elear to have a cleaner / tighter bass response.
 
When a new headphone comes out that is very good, it doesn't make everything else on the market suddenly bad. So when the HD800 is described as having distortion, or that the HE400i has muddy bass, it doesn't really fit with our positive experiences of those headphones. This makes it difficult to relate to impressions of the Focals, and it can provoke skepticism and rub people the wrong way.
 
The language that is used makes all the difference. Emphasizing the positives of the Focals shows that you are genuinely excited about these headphones and want to help people discover them. Emphasizing the negatives of existing products sends the subconscious message, "What you have right now is not very good, you should buy these instead!"
 
Just my 2c, I think this would help cool tempers and promote a more civil discussion.
 
Jun 30, 2016 at 7:53 PM Post #963 of 5,632
Hi Guys,

I'd like to drift off-topic for a moment, but in a way that I feel is relevant. If you don't feel like indulging me for this, no worries, please go ahead and skip this post.

When I first joined Head-Fi, I lurked for about nine months. This was a foreign world to me, where the culture - and even the language - was incomprehensible at times. Even after I finally worked up the courage to start posting regularly, I was still very much a noob. And in many ways, I still am.

Yet many of the veteran members here at Head-Fi were forgiving of my ignorance and inexperience. Even though many of them had been here since Head-Fi was founded... and were members at HeadWize before that... they were not jaded, nor did they hold contempt for me. They were patient with me. They taught me, mentored me, and lent me their knowledge until I could acquire my own. And through them, I learned that Head-Fi is all about helping each other, and being good to one another.

As time went on, I developed a strong desire to pass-on what I had learned, to pay it all forward. And as luck would have it, I could do just that. Because I often found myself with better access than most, I was often privy to try new gear before it was released - much like Stillhart was recently privy to the new Focal models before they were released. And like Stillhart, I rushed here to Head-Fi with my impressions to help as many people as I could. I just wanted to help, the way Stillhart was trying to help just now.

And yes, like Stillhart, I took my fair share of criticism from the peanut gallery. Those of you who were here for the Audeze LCD-X and LCD-XC launches will remember what I mean. And by peanut gallery, I mean people that had never even heard the gear that I was referring to. That's fine I suppose. We don't all agree, nor should we. But you know what's one thing that has never happened to me? I was never, not once, not even in jest, accused of being a shill.

Today, for the very first time since the day I joined Head-Fi, I feel genuinely ashamed. I am ashamed of how my fellow Head-Fi members are treating one of our very own. Disagree with him if you want to. Criticize him if you must. But if you're going to accuse Stillhart of something devious like trying to push gear on you, then you better come with something more than hollow words... and you'll have to come through me.

When you belittle fellow members who have auditioned the gear that YOU WANT to learn about (which is presumably why you are in this thread at all), you are killing that volunteer spirit within them. You are insulting them and devaluing their sacrifices (time spent away from their families, time spent listening to music, etc.). And in a way, you are insulting every Head-Fier who has ever tried to help others by posting his/her honest impressions for no reward whatsoever - myself included.

I don't know what would make you think this kind of behavior is okay. But I hope that whatever is bothering you in life, whatever it is that's making you treat your fellow Head-Fiers this way, I hope you overcome it soon so that you can once again treat others with civility and respect.

In the meantime, I hope you can at least realize that Stillhart was not deserving of your scorn or callous accusations, and that you can summon the courage to apologize to him. Actually, what would be even better is this: you can use your resources and connections to secure the Focal headphones for an audition of your own, and then face down the vitriol that you likewise would not deserve, as you try to do nothing more that post impressions and help people. Then you'll understand just how hurtful you've been, as well as how undeserving of it Stillhart was.

TL;DR

Be good to one another.

I just want to say, Well said Warren! 
I 100% support you! 
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Dan, don't change a bit, you are a great member of our community and friend. 
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Jul 1, 2016 at 7:13 AM Post #965 of 5,632

  ... but I don't recall Jude mentioning about eq. curve when we discussed in Tokyo. [sorry if this is too nerdy for the main audience :wink: ]
 
cheers,
arnaud

 
@arnaud, those frequency response measurements reflect DF applied via the APx555's input EQ. (Sorry for not having mentioned that previously, guys.)
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 8:51 AM Post #966 of 5,632
I'd be very interested in knowing how comfortable the ear pads on these new high-end Focals are. I've tried the Spirit One and Spirit Classic and found both to be extremely uncomfortable (more characteristic of on-ear than over-ear cans). I can't tell by video how comfortable these would be relative to the small ear cups of its predecessors.
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 9:01 AM Post #967 of 5,632
mmm.....I'm curious as well but the Woo Audio video posted somewhere in the thread offers an invaluable clue as to  just how soft/pliable the earpads are for the Utopia. It does not appear to be too firm/too stiff.
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 10:51 AM Post #968 of 5,632
Good to know, though I worry about circumference of the pads even more than pliability.
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 11:28 AM Post #969 of 5,632
Good to know, though I worry about circumference of the pads even more than pliability.

 
@DanDorn, I hope these photos help a little.
 

(Above) Focal Elear and Focal Spirit Professional.
 

(Above) Focal Utopia and Focal Spirit One S.
 

(Above) Focal Utopia and Focal Spirit One S.
 

(Above) Focal Elear and Focal Spirit Professional.
 

(Above) Focal Elear and Focal Spirit Professional.
 
  I'd be very interested in knowing how comfortable the ear pads on these new high-end Focals are. I've tried the Spirit One and Spirit Classic and found both to be extremely uncomfortable (more characteristic of on-ear than over-ear cans). I can't tell by video how comfortable these would be relative to the small ear cups of its predecessors.

 
Having even spent even more time now with both the Utopia and Elear, I can say without hesitation that they're far more comfortable (to me, and I think this'll be true for most) than any of the Spirit models, and also more comfortable than the Focal Listen (which has slightly larger openings and plusher pads than the Spirit models).
 
The Utopia and Elear are very comfortable headphones (for me) for long-term wear. However, in more direct comparisons over time, I'd give the edge in comfort to the Sennheiser HD800 and HD800S versus either of the new flagship Focal models.
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 11:54 AM Post #971 of 5,632
mmm.....clamp pressure for the Utopia/Elear? Reference for me  is the ultra-comfortable HD 800/S or the T1/1.2 . Ergo is 10/10. It is like wearing nothing (for a full-sized headphone).BAD Ergo (1/10) is the LCD X (because of the sheer weight and clamp pressure) and the FAD Pandora's Hope VI (because part of my ears touches part of the left driver).
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 12:34 PM Post #972 of 5,632
  mmm.....clamp pressure for the Utopia/Elear? Reference for me  is the ultra-comfortable HD 800/S or the T1/1.2 . Ergo is 10/10. It is like wearing nothing (for a full-sized headphone).BAD Ergo (1/10) is the LCD X (because of the sheer weight and clamp pressure) and the FAD Pandora's Hope VI (because part of my ears touches part of the left driver).

 
On my large cranium, I'd call the HD800 and Utopia/Elear comparable on clamping force--I'm going strictly by feel here (as I've no means of accurately measuring clamping force).
 
The lighter weight and ginormous earpad diameter of the HD800 / HD800S give the Sennheisers the edge in comfort over the Focals for me. Here are a couple of photos of the HD 800S and Focal Elear earpads side-by-side:
 

 

 
Jul 1, 2016 at 2:48 PM Post #974 of 5,632
   
 
 
We all have different ears and different things we look for in a headphone.  I'd take the Elear of the HE-400i any day of the week, but I find the HE-400i to be extremely muddy.  It's not bad at its price point, but it's in a different league from the Elear IMHO.  I think the Elear is much better technically.  Tonally they're different, though, so you may find that you prefer the HE-400i just from that perspective.


Extremely muddy? Compared to what? 
 
Edit: read the rest of the thread
 
Extremely muddy compared to the HE-560 is what you would later say. So, most people would say the 400i is the opposite of muddy in the overall headphone scale, so you must have a strong dislike for most all headphones. Very discerning tastes you have. Which is fine. Or you tried a defective HE-400i.
 
Jul 1, 2016 at 2:58 PM Post #975 of 5,632

Thanks, jude, these photos do help. I'm such a stickler for comfort (every can I've kept has had to pass my rigorous comfort test 
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). I would like to demo the Elears some day.
 

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