What is the cheapest AMP to fully power AKG K712?
Mar 16, 2016 at 11:22 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 20

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Hey guys, I'm currently buying new headphones and I was hyped about Beyerdynamics DT880 for a long time but after some research I've heard much better things about AKG K712 Pro. I would use those headphones to mix/master my gothic rock / alternative rock band's demos.
 
Since I'm on a tight budget, the price of AMP will decide whenever I get the DT880 or K712. So I'm wondering, what is the cheapest AMP/DAC I could get in Europe to fully power AKG K712 without affecting the sound of headphones in a negative way? I'm really a noob in headphones department so I need some help here. Thanks.
 
Also, in my case, do I need a DAC as well? I will use those headphones to listen to music from my PC as well. I already own a soundcard Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 and will soon add DI box. If I understand well, DAC is only used when sending music from a digital device like phone or iPod to home HiFi. Do I need it as well in my case?
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 12:49 AM Post #2 of 20
There is a DAC chip in everything (smartphone, iPhone, iPod, iPad, A/V receiver, Audio Interface, sound cards. computers, etc)
 
Your Audio Interface (not really a sound card) Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 has a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) feature built into it.
The 2i4 can take in a digital audio signal (thru it's USB port) and then output it as an analog audio signal, thru it's output jacks.
 
You can connect an external headphone amplifier to the un-balanced RCA jacks, on the 2i4.
 
O2 (Objective 2), 78 GBP
http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/products-page/headphone-amplifiers/ehp-o2-portable-headphone-amplifier/
 
Bravo Ocean tube (hybrid) headphone amplifier ($120 USD), Euro price?
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 1:01 AM Post #3 of 20
Thanks for a detailed response! Unfortunately it seems that the O2 seller you posted has closed it's doors. If you know for any other EU shop, feel free to post it.
 
"Epiphany Acoustics is now closed for business.
We would like to thank all our customers and suppliers for supporting us over the years- happy listening!"

 
I'm gonna check for Bravo Ocean Tube if I can find it.
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 1:24 AM Post #4 of 20
  Thanks for a detailed response! Unfortunately it seems that the O2 seller you posted has closed it's doors. If you know for any other EU shop, feel free to post it.
 
"Epiphany Acoustics is now closed for business.
We would like to thank all our customers and suppliers for supporting us over the years- happy listening!"

 
I'm gonna check for Bravo Ocean Tube if I can find it.

 
Person listing used O2 amps, in Europe
http://www.head-fi.org/t/800836/price-drop-epiphany-acoustics-ehp-o2-in-very-good-condition
 
Check the website AVforum it's located in the UK, they might be able to point you to the best deals on electronic audio products, in Europe.
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 1:17 PM Post #6 of 20
Seller already sold that amp unfortunately, I found some Bravo Ocean Tubes on Amazon, is that amp powerful enough? I hope it doesn't color sound much. I want amp as neutral as possible.
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 1:50 PM Post #7 of 20
Seller already sold that amp unfortunately, I found some Bravo Ocean Tubes on Amazon, is that amp powerful enough? I hope it doesn't color sound much. I want amp as neutral as possible.

 
If your on a budget, not too many choices when it comes to amps, that will drive the K712 (well).
 
Might try reading up and asking here about the Bravo Ocean.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/444400/bravo-audio-funny-looking-little-tube-amps
 
Mar 17, 2016 at 3:05 PM Post #8 of 20
Consider yourself lucky. O2 sucks with AKG's. In fact, it sucks in general unless you like thin, lifeless, shrill laptop-headphone-out-like sound. You're probably better off plugging them straight into your Focusrite interface until you can save up for something a little bit better. Something like Schiit Vali 2 or Asgard 2 would do the trick if you want to extract a lot of performance out of those headphones. 
 
Apr 11, 2016 at 7:46 AM Post #10 of 20
  What about Presonus HP4? People seem to buy it a lot, but is it any good for headphones like AKG K712?

It's one of the great mysteries on head-fi. Almost every mention of Presonus HP4 has met with a suspiciously predictable indifference. It's very popular elsewhere, but on this site it just doesn't exist. It seems no one here has ever heard of it.
 
I talked to somebody on gearslutz and he said he used it to drive his HD650 and LCD3 headphones and after comparing it with a lot more expensive amps, he realized he couldn't tell a difference in sound quality and sold the expensive amps, keeping only the HP4. Someday, somebody will talk about it here.
 
Apr 12, 2016 at 7:42 PM Post #13 of 20
  It's one of the great mysteries on head-fi. Almost every mention of Presonus HP4 has met with a suspiciously predictable indifference. It's very popular elsewhere, but on this site it just doesn't exist. It seems no one here has ever heard of it.
 
I talked to somebody on gearslutz and he said he used it to drive his HD650 and LCD3 headphones and after comparing it with a lot more expensive amps, he realized he couldn't tell a difference in sound quality and sold the expensive amps, keeping only the HP4. Someday, somebody will talk about it here.

 
 
I don't know about that. I've owned the HP4 and there's nothing about it that can compare to higher end amps, even something like Schiit Asgard 2 which is not really high end at all. HP4 first of all has very limited power output, then it has a high output impedance, it suffers from channel imbalances due to having cheap volume pots, it hisses on higher volume levels, it has a typical sort of harsh and dynamically flat sound that you'd expect from cheap audio gear. It's not horrible, but you're getting what you pay for, you're getting four 30 dollar headphone amp circuits in one box. Anyone who can't hear a difference between it and more high end amps using HD650's or LCD3's clearly doesn't have the ears required for this hobby or is using some really poor quality source components or badly recorded music. Which is not that uncommon, not everyone who buys expensive audio gear knows what they're supposed to be paying attention to while listening to gear, and people usually expect huge differences, while the differences are actually always very subtle, but that subtle change in sound can be the difference between something sounding totally realistic and something sounding a little off, and if you're really into hi-fi, that little difference means A LOT to you, if you're not really into it, you might not care at all about it.  As I said before, K7xx's (any model) are very capable headphones, MUCH more capable than most people think and than most people who own them ever realize, they're one of the hardest headphones out there to elevate to world class performance and they scale like crazy. I think of my K701 as a baby HD800 (baby actually meaning it potentially has 90% of HD800's technical ability, while most headphones in the <300 dollar range couldn't even crack the 50% barrier), because it can sound boring and flat with a lot of entry level gear, but can be absolutely magical with other gear, and even beat the many times more expensive T1's in many aspects. Now it just depends on what someone needs, if you want just ok sound, anything with a headphone jack that has enough power to get them loud enough will do it for you.  If you listen to music more deeply and care about all the subtleties, then you'll want something more than an entry level amp. 
 
You see, this is the paradox of today's headphones.  6-7 years ago, headphones like HD650's or K701's were the best on the market (minus a few of the exotic models like Stax that were many, many times more expensive), and people actually considered them to be top of the line, best of the best, best the headphone world had to offer to you, and therefore, people treated them with such respect and used them with high end equipment in order to extract the maximum performance out of them. However, once the headphone prices went ape **** and started hitting those 1000,2000, or 3000's in price, a lot of people forgot that those K701's and HD650's were very good headphones, they became mid range headphones, even though there's nothing mid range about them. People started looking at them as mid-fi and forgot that they require high end gear in order to show their full potential. They're relatively cheap nowadays, but they're not like other 300-400 dollar headphones that came out after them, most of which were designed to work with portable gear and don't really scale up with high end gear because they don't have the technical ability to do so. They're relatively cheap, but that doesn't mean they'll sound very good if you plug them into bad equipment, that's my point I guess.
 
Apr 14, 2016 at 1:40 PM Post #15 of 20
I have the AKG K7XX with the Schiit Vali 2 and I really like this combo.  K7XX is pretty close in SQ to the 712 and a great value,  and so is the Vali 2 IMO.
 

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