Fiio X5 2nd Generation Australasian Tour(s)
Jul 19, 2015 at 6:28 PM Post #16 of 34
I've received the X5ii, from the first listen I can hear all the things Loquah was talking about, but I am finding that I actually like this type of sound. The X5ii indeed does sound thick and warm, but I quite like it, it is unique in that none of my other daps sound even remotely like the X5ii. If the X5ii sounds thick, then all my other daps sound thin in comparison, aka X5ii is the most unique in this respect.
 
Jul 20, 2015 at 6:06 AM Post #17 of 34
Well, I've been listening to the X5ii for 6 hours straight. I've already come to my conclusion. The X5ii sounds great to me. As such I can't agree with Loquah that the X5ii falls short on sound quality compared to DX90, and also my Pono. To my ears, all these daps are resolving the exact same detail, yet presenting them in quite different ways, as such, it essentially comes down to preference of sound presentation and more importantly, the pairing of headphones making a match that in turn satisfies your preference of sound presentation.
 
The X5ii is smoother, more refined, presents all details without a hint of sharpness, yet it is also more upfront than the DX90, the vocals for example have this amazing density and sound 'larger', more enveloping, It's an interesting combination that I really like. The DX90 is sharper, harder edged, better defined, but also more distant, thinner, sounds 'smaller', and quite often presents sibilance and sharpness. So honestly, to me they both have an equal trade off in the stakes of dynamism. Thus again, preference and pairing will ultimately decide the outcome.
 
My upcoming review of the X5ii will mainly be trying to describe and compare the sound better than I have done here, although I can already tell you the conclusion: The X5ii is no better or worse than DX90 and Pono. Simply different. As of right now I personally prefer the X5ii sound over the DX90 and Pono, I wouldn't say no to trading my DX90 for a X5ii at the moment.
 
A quick note on the build, the X5ii body feels so much better built than DX90 and Pono, the metal body feels much hardier, in fact similar to quality of AK100ii/120ii body. The screen of X5ii is sharper and more vibrant than DX90 and Pono, but the scroll wheel is a let down, it feels cheap and flimsy compared to the body and screen.
 
My back round: I was never really sold on Fiio products in the past, I thought they were 'budget' orientated (they were always cheaper than the ibasso offering), so I always gravitated towards ibasso seeking quality, as such I've owned two ibasso daps (DX50, DX90) and two of their amps (P3+, P4). This is the first time I've heard a Fiio product, and it has got my attention big time, this X5ii is better built than other products in the same price range, and has a sound more unique than most daps, and very enjoyable I might add. It has also piqued my interest in the upcoming X7.
 
Jul 21, 2015 at 11:25 PM Post #18 of 34
  Well, I've been listening to the X5ii for 6 hours straight. I've already come to my conclusion. The X5ii sounds great to me. As such I can't agree with Loquah that the X5ii falls short on sound quality compared to DX90, and also my Pono. To my ears, all these daps are resolving the exact same detail, yet presenting them in quite different ways, as such, it essentially comes down to preference of sound presentation and more importantly, the pairing of headphones making a match that in turn satisfies your preference of sound presentation.
 
The X5ii is smoother, more refined, presents all details without a hint of sharpness, yet it is also more upfront than the DX90, the vocals for example have this amazing density and sound 'larger', more enveloping, It's an interesting combination that I really like. The DX90 is sharper, harder edged, better defined, but also more distant, thinner, sounds 'smaller', and quite often presents sibilance and sharpness. So honestly, to me they both have an equal trade off in the stakes of dynamism. Thus again, preference and pairing will ultimately decide the outcome.
 
My upcoming review of the X5ii will mainly be trying to describe and compare the sound better than I have done here, although I can already tell you the conclusion: The X5ii is no better or worse than DX90 and Pono. Simply different. As of right now I personally prefer the X5ii sound over the DX90 and Pono, I wouldn't say no to trading my DX90 for a X5ii at the moment.
 
A quick note on the build, the X5ii body feels so much better built than DX90 and Pono, the metal body feels much hardier, in fact similar to quality of AK100ii/120ii body. The screen of X5ii is sharper and more vibrant than DX90 and Pono, but the scroll wheel is a let down, it feels cheap and flimsy compared to the body and screen.
 
My back round: I was never really sold on Fiio products in the past, I thought they were 'budget' orientated (they were always cheaper than the ibasso offering), so I always gravitated towards ibasso seeking quality, as such I've owned two ibasso daps (DX50, DX90) and two of their amps (P3+, P4). This is the first time I've heard a Fiio product, and it has got my attention big time, this X5ii is better built than other products in the same price range, and has a sound more unique than most daps, and very enjoyable I might add. It has also piqued my interest in the upcoming X7.

 
It's interesting how we all enjoy different things - that's why there are so many popular products, I guess.
 
I completely agree with you about the build quality. I didn't touch on it, but I think you've summed it up well in relation to how well put together the X5ii is.
 
Back to the sound, this might also be a function of our headphone / earphone choice as most of mine are a bit warm to begin with (except the HD800s) so the warmth and thickness of the X5ii combined with the warmth of the K10s, On1s, and other gear in my stable is too much of a good thing. What 'phones are you using, @T.R.A.N.C.E.?
 
The one thing that I wish was better (and can't be fixed by synergy with certain earphones) is the sense of space (or lack of) from both the X5ii and the Cayin N6 unless playing DSD files. I found both players to be very flat and 2-dimensional with PCM format files.
 
Jul 22, 2015 at 4:36 AM Post #19 of 34
 
The one thing that I wish was better (and can't be fixed by synergy with certain earphones) is the sense of space (or lack of) from both the X5ii and the Cayin N6 unless playing DSD files. I found both players to be very flat and 2-dimensional with PCM format files.

 
Phones I'm using are in my sig. It's weird how we can hear the same thing, yet it translates to a different perception in our heads somehow, maybe it's the pairing. I can clearly hear what your talking about regarding the sound stage / sense of space in the X5ii in that it different to the more conventional sound stage that DX90 and Pono give you, aka wide and airy, while the X5ii seems to have no air, but all gap's filled with music, creating a fuller closer sound, yet I do not perceive it the way you do, I do not feel it to be 2D or flat, to me it sounds like I am immersed in the music, while with the DX90 and Pono feel like the music is further away. Meh, the world would be boring if we all were clones 
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Jul 22, 2015 at 8:51 PM Post #20 of 34
   
Phones I'm using are in my sig. It's weird how we can hear the same thing, yet it translates to a different perception in our heads somehow, maybe it's the pairing. I can clearly hear what your talking about regarding the sound stage / sense of space in the X5ii in that it different to the more conventional sound stage that DX90 and Pono give you, aka wide and airy, while the X5ii seems to have no air, but all gap's filled with music, creating a fuller closer sound, yet I do not perceive it the way you do, I do not feel it to be 2D or flat, to me it sounds like I am immersed in the music, while with the DX90 and Pono feel like the music is further away. Meh, the world would be boring if we all were clones 
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LOL. Right you are about the clones point!
 
I couldn't see your sig because I was on mobile yesterday, but I see now that many of your phones have more treble energy than those I am using (recognising that some also have solid bass, but are v-shaped so not warm like some of mine) - that makes sense.
 
Jul 23, 2015 at 7:05 AM Post #21 of 34
  I see now that many of your phones have more treble energy than those I am using (recognising that some also have solid bass, but are v-shaped so not warm like some of mine) - that makes sense.

 
Yeah, and I do prefer Pono and DX90 over the X5ii if I want more energy, or when using some of my warmer headphones like the Aiaiai TMA-1 and Technics DH1200.
 
Jul 25, 2015 at 7:17 PM Post #22 of 34
Review:
 
Build:
The X5ii body feels so much better built than DX90 and Pono, the metal body feels much hardier, in fact similar to quality of AK100ii/120ii body. The screen of X5ii is sharper and more vibrant than DX90 and Pono, but the scroll wheel is a let down, it feels cheap and flimsy compared to the body and screen, along with the dreaded way it doesn't sometimes register input at each click of the turn, only a minor issue, mainly just detracts from feeling of quality.
 
Sound:
The X5ii is in deed no better or worse in technical performance than DX90 or Pono, the sound that X5ii achieves is unique, the epitome of smooth yet fully detailed, in fact the musical detail from X5ii is easier to hear than DX90 and Pono, the X5ii presents everything so fleshed out and close up without a hint of congestion or sharpness, the timbre is excellent, it just lays out the detail effortlessly, compared to DX900 the X5ii is smoother, more refined, presents all details without a hint of sharpness, yet it is also more upfront than the DX90, the vocals for example have this amazing density and sound 'larger', more enveloping, It's an interesting combination that I really like. The DX90 is sharper, harder edged, better defined, but also more distant, thinner, sounds 'smaller', and quite often presents sibilance and sharpness. I do not consider the X5ii colored in sound, I find X5ii, DX90, Pono all to be neutral in response and balance, they just have different presentation characteristics. Neutral though it may be, is the sound natural? No dap sounds completely natural to me, all have shortcomings.
 
The X5ii's achilles heel is it has less impact throughout the entire frequency range, you can hear all the details from X5ii even better than DX90 and Pono, the vocals of X5ii are even more life like in timbre, but you simply cannot feel the impact or immediacy of anything, the vocals do not feel like a "live" performance, more like a ridiculously smooth studio recording, it looses in PRAT big time to other daps, especially so with the wrong pairing. As such I can only recommend the X5ii if you want the most fatigue free presentation available, mainly listen to music for relaxing, or mainly listen to relaxing music. or even if you just want to analyze detail the X5ii is superior, the X5ii really does sound like a piece of super smooth studio monitoring equipment. But for enjoying music energetically, the X5ii does not work out.
 
Conclusion:
To my ears, all these daps are resolving the exact same detail, yet presenting them in quite different ways, as such, it essentially comes down to preference of sound presentation and more importantly, the pairing of headphones making a match that in turn satisfies your preference of sound presentation. If you want toe tapping factor look at dap's other than X5ii. Most will assume that the X5ii is warm, or rolled off etc, when it is not, it is extremely detailed, neutral and balanced, presenting fleshed out detail without a sense of immediacy, utterly smooth. But lacking energy, which is extremely important to conveying the emotion in a lot of music. Music which does not rely on conveying energy will sound phenomenal out of X5ii, like some acoustic, or relaxing piano etc, the X5ii will have the Pono and DX90 beat hard with such music, but for the majority of music, the X5ii simply falls short in conveying the proper sense of energy and immediacy, which makes it hard to recommend as an all round dap.
 
Note: One should remember that it is impossible for anyone to write a completely subjective review, as we all have different reference points and perspectives, which influence our thoughts whether we like it or not.
 
Jul 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM Post #23 of 34
Hi everyone
 
Updated the initial post.  Can those who's time with the player has ended - if you haven't posted your reviews yet, please do so.
 
Aug 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM Post #24 of 34
NZ tour has now completed with all reviews being posted - thanks Ade.
 
Will look forward to seeing the rest of the Australian reviews as they happen.  *Hint* Gill >> yours is due please ......
 
Aug 2, 2015 at 9:11 PM Post #26 of 34
Cool - will await your thoughts in due course :)
 
Aug 14, 2015 at 7:13 AM Post #28 of 34
Original post updated.  Australian tour continuing.
 

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