Need directions? Seeking advice for closed back headphones
Apr 11, 2015 at 12:19 PM Post #16 of 20
kabonfaiba said:
  Narrowed my choice down to NAD HP50 - my ideal subbass responce, shame about the looks and glossy plasticy build.
Sennheiser Momentum 2 - probably best midrange, reduced treble veil, bigger earcups, very lightwieght, not fussed about the hinges.
Focal Spirit Pro - good value and robust, better bass response than the momentum, but worried they might get harsh at higher volumes.
DT770 Pro 80 - Great value, but I don't mind spending a little more for better SQ.
 
It would be nice to see what Tyll thinks of the Momentum 2 since the originals got dislodged from the WoF. MacedonianHero seems to be the only person whose had them all. He thinks they are much improved, so much better that they top the HP50. I'm tempted to try them as a next step.
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The HP50 has similar measurements to the FSP and is $50 to $100 less, so that's a good value.
 
Why would the FSP get harsh at higher volumes? It doesn't have nasty peaks in the frequency response. I owned it. It's still my favorite headphone.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 11:12 AM Post #17 of 20
Update; I think I'm going to discount the Focal Spirit range because;
 
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Originally Posted by caml
  Shorter Focal Spirit Classic impressions :
 
Now let's move on to the FSC shall we. That's going to be short I'm afraid. Sure, they do nothing really badly. Highs are quite precise yet non fatiguing. Vocals are well textured. As for the lower frequencies... let's say there are some, and that it will be probably pleasant enough for most people (apparently, who I am to judge really). I mean it sounds ok, not especially tiny, it's almost punchy on recent pop songs... quite a politically correct lower end I might say. But that's not ok for me. The cut off frequency is ridiculously high. I can hear the bass lines being truncated on some notes. And where's the rrrrumble ? Where's that hit in the chest that you almost get with the D600 ? And where are the frequencies below 35 Hz ? Well, none of these are in the FSC for sure. Even with strong equalization I could not get it to actually sound alive on the lower end of the spectrum. That's too bad because otherwise, like I said, it's very easy to listen to for hours on... that is, if you're not the kind of person fully expecting to have your body shaken by the rhythm when you press the PLAY button.

One side remark about the fit. The FSC is very snug, the pads are very small for a circumaural and I needed to rest it for a few minutes every 30 minutes or so. And the snugness makes it outright painful with glasses. I'm sure it will loosen up with time, but I'll never know for sure since those are back in the box, ready to be returned.
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I desperately need sub bass frequencies. So now I'm down to;
 
NAD HP50
PSB M4U1 (Just discovered these)
PSB M4U2
V-Moda M100 (Maybe too much mid-bass, but looks as comfortable as the M2 / X2)
Sennheiser Momentum 2 - (least sub bass, my safest comfortable alternative though)
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 4:39 PM Post #18 of 20
kabonfaiba said:
  I desperately need sub bass frequencies. So now I'm down to;
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The post you quoted was about the Focal Spirit Classic.
 
The Focal Spirit Professional had reallly nice bass (as well as physicality and impact), including when there was heavy/deep bass in the music. Look at its measurements. Its bass almost perfectly follows the black line, which is the Harman-Olive HRTF target curve -- an average of what people prefer in the sound of a headphone. There is no audible bass roll-off. It has a little more bass than neutral. (The green line is perfectly neutral and how our ears would hear flat-tuned speakers.)
 
Anyway, whichever headphone you get, you can still boost the sub-bass with EQ if it's not enough to your tastes.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 7:37 PM Post #19 of 20
I'm aware of the measurements, and I know it's the FSC not the FSP. I thought the only difference between them was slight mid range boost and not the bass?
 
But I'm trying to compare and contrast the measured data with opinions / reviews from people who have worn certain headphones in question. A lot of the time, the raw data isn't matching the human reaction and caml's words A-Bing headphones; then talking about real differences gives me more info than I'm getting from a graph.
 
There's no chance I would actually buy the Denon D600, but caml's words about the bass on the FSC are pretty damning. The FSP looks much better on paper compared to the D600 too - but it doesn't show why the sub bass on the D600 is much better for caml.
 
Apr 14, 2015 at 7:54 PM Post #20 of 20
kabonfaiba said:
  I'm aware of the measurements, and I know it's the FSC not the FSP. I thought the only difference between them was slight mid range boost and not the bass?
 
But I'm trying to compare and contrast the measured data with opinions / reviews from people who have worn certain headphones in question. A lot of the time, the raw data isn't matching the human reaction and caml's words A-Bing headphones; then talking about real differences gives me more info than I'm getting from a graph.
 
There's no chance I would actually buy the Denon D600, but caml's words about the bass on the FSC are pretty damning. The FSP looks much better on paper compared to the D600 too - but it doesn't show why the sub bass on the D600 is much better for caml.
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Okay, but I told you how much I liked its bass, including deep/heavy bass. It's not a basshead headphone by any means, though.
 
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