[sandy1010]

Sorry if this has been discussed but are the connections 2.5mm mono's such as on the OPPO PM1?

They don't look like the typical hifiman connections.

 

[Colgin]

Sorry if this has been discussed but are the connections 2.5mm mono's such as on the OPPO PM1?

They don't look like the typical hifiman connections.

I cannot say for sure, but I was at the meet on Sunday and the connections looked very similar to those on my Oppo PM-2.

 

[Dubstep Girl]

  You know, I just think it should be said that Fang should be commended for his courage in letting any headfi people who wanted to do so listen to his new creation and publicly comment on it.
Opening a new offering to the slings and arrows of audiophile consumption right away in pre-sales mode takes a lot of courage and pride in your product.
*edit*: should have said "Highly" commended!

 

[diamondears]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.936515683040431.1073741983.100000460244471&type=1

Now that looks better!

 

[sandy1010]

I cannot say for sure, but I was at the meet on Sunday and the connections looked very similar to those on my Oppo PM-2.

Yes , I have the PM1 and from the photos it looks very similar.

Thanks.

 

[awshosll]

+1

In terms of sound quality,The he560 or HE6 is on par with Hd800 and LCD3, HE1000 is not intended to compete with LCD3 or HD800

 

[immtbiker]

 
What's so funny? If it's being compared against the HD800, that price range would be about right...

 
 

   
You are joking...correct?
 
 
If it sounds "good" driven by anything, I'm staying far away....

 
 

 
Isn't this what they normally do at shows? And without head-fi, there's no hifiman..

 
Why is it, that everything that you have posted in this thread, has a negative connotation to it?
 
You sir, are a being a contrarian! 

 

[rrahman]

  The he560 or HE6 is on par with Hd800 and LCD3, HE1000 is not intended to compete with LCD3 or HD800

 
Price isn't a measure of how well a headphone should perform

 

[diamondears]

Price isn't a measure of how well a headphone should perform

Yes it is, unless the one manufacturing it is charity. Every business whose bottom line is profits would price their products in accordance with its perceived value to customers.

 

[immtbiker]

You can't really lump all headphones (or audio equipment, for that matter) into one category, when it come to cost vs. performance.
One has to factor in "supply and demand" into the equation of anything that is purchased by hobbyists.
 
The Sony R10 costs about $2900 when they were released and were considered the best headphones money could buy, the Orpheus
not withstanding. But 7 years ago, they were going for ~ $7K used. The HE90 were in the same league. 
 
So we need to factor in, FOTM (especially on Head-Fi)…supply and demand…manufacturers reputation's…diminishing return, etc.)
 
High purchasing price also has psychological effects on purchasing requirements, too!
 
Was the R10 worth $2900 if it cost Sony $500 to manufacture and distribute? Was it worth $7000? To some people, yes! So be it!
 
A great headphone can be good, but is it twice or thrice as good as the other TOTL's? Pricing a product can be very suggestive, and the success can go either way.
 
Are some watches really worth $35,000…even if they are diamond encrusted and solid rose gold. Yes, if people will buy them, and the 
manufacture can sell enough for it to be profitable.
 
 
Bottom line. If they sound really good, then I want one. Can I afford it? That's between me and Mastercard 

.
 
-Does a product bring you joy (headphone, amp, watch, car, motorcycle, spouse)? Or are you just a grouch who doesn't really derive joy from anything, except the misery of others.
-Can you justify paying the asking price without crimping your lifestyle or causing your mind guilt or remorse?
-Is there something else that will bring you an equal amount or more satisfaction at a lesser price?
-Do you think you can get a fair amount of the purchase price back, after your ready to move on to your next desire (spouses not included 

)
-Will this product make you really happy for moments in life that are priceless (Kodak moments).
 
Ask yourself these questions, and your decisions will be wise ones.
 
In my humble opinion, of course. These are my credos in life.

 

[Karllin]

I agree with a lot of what immtbiker is saying. It is great that people can come here and let others know of their good experiences with products. Unfounded negativity should certainly be frowned upon. However, constructive criticism or real world issues with a company's product should also be welcome. Beagle's comment about Head-Fi being the key to Hifiman's success is exaggerated, but comments and even negative rants here have led to a lot of improvements in Feng's products, even some of his major innovations.

I often complain about his QC. Well, it's because I have had a lot of issues and time spent dealing with them, but I am a good customer. The shop owner where I buy sells hundreds of 901 players, and a large percentage come back for repairs. But we still love the unit. It is a great device and has the flexibility of no other.

So I would say positive and negative should all be welcome, but don't be negative just for the sake of hurting people. Also, don't be drunkenly complimentary just to promote.

This is the best place to come to learn about anything headphone related and it is a place to have fun. I am sure the founders want nothing more than to spread the joy that our gear brings us all.

 

[diamondears]

Its not, ultra high end headphones are

Theres only like 8 high endheadphone manufacturers making headphones over 1k... 

Sennheiser, Hifiman, Audeze, Abyss, Stax, grado, akg, Ultrasone... Theres prolly a handful i missed, but the market is pretty much all dominated by those 8

No way those 8 entities is an oligopoly, cmon. Please explain why you consider them one. Maybe we should define oligopoly first to make sure we're discussing same thing.

 

[rrahman]

No way those 8 entities is an oligopoly, cmon. Please explain why you consider them one. Maybe we should define oligopoly first to make sure we're discussing same thing.

 
Well this would derail the thread.... so i'll just pm you

 

[Guidostrunk]

Wow. This is why I mostly lurk on forums. Some just set out to be PC police. Smh.

Bold:

Not possible, unless you have objective data to back your claim up.  If it's your opinion or if you think it was obvious - it's still subjective.

 

[nw130d]

This is always a hot topic...
 
Value is in the eye of the beholder. Most people rich or poor would be in shock if you told them you spent $1000 on a headphone. Then a heart attack if you told them you spend another $2000 on an amp and dac. That was just an example, many spend much more than this.
 
That said I think many head-fi-ers are EXTREMELY desensitized to money when they been in this game for too long. They feel it is the normal or better yet, justified to spend thousands on head gear. Easy example is simple accessories, spend $200-700 on cable, they are just wires!!! Top end CPU in the most hardcore of gamers' computers cost less than $200 and is infinity more difficult to design and produce. The billion dollar machines in trillion dollar atmosphere controlled buildings just to make these less than $200 dollar chips with a high defective rejection rate. Or if that is too far fetched most average laptops cost $800? "Best" hyped up laptops like the MacBook Pro cost same if not less than some "Best" headphones. Now some may argue well $200-700 cable is a niche market, not many companies are making them hence they would have to charge a lot. Fool! I say you, ask your self "why is it a niche market in the first place?!"
 
Many companies likes to take advantage of the market, like the above post it is a free market. In the end you the consumer vote with your money. Some people regardless of how much money they have vote smartly and probably why they are rich in the first place... just some food for thought.