New York mini meet : Hifiman He-1000 Impressions thread

Jan 18, 2015 at 6:05 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 174

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Until someone with more initiative than me starts an impressions thread: The meet was wonderful; I met some friendly and very knowledgeable head-fiers (and some enthusiastic juniors like myself) and the HE-1000s looked and sounded first-class.
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM Post #2 of 174
Time to get the ball rolling. Just came back from the mini meet (with Dr. Fang Bian, to whom I'd like to give a big thanks for hosting) at the SoHo Trump Hotel in Manhattan. Up for tryouts were these:
 
Source: HIFIMAN HM901S and HIFIMAN Dock-1
Amp: HIFIMAN EF1000
Headphone: HIFIMAN HE1000
 
I will mostly be doing impressions of the HE1000 as I barely listened to the source and my reviews of amps are hard for me to do once it gets so high end....
 
HE1000:
 
1. Warmer than the HD800, and much more involving as well. Soundstage and imaging were spot on (I mean really, I was impressed) although as one head-fi'er wrote the HD800's maybe has a bit more separation, in my opinion its unnecessary as the HE1000 does the job very well and still manages to be a friendly headphone. Seems to be a class above the HD800's overall.
 
2. Was truly impressed with the synergy between the EF1000 and HE1000, most definitely a solid match to my ears. As the saying goes, it really opened up a whole new level of detail and clarity, and it really makes you rediscover your music collection again.
 
3. Like was said before, a truly comfortable headphone despite the tremendous size. Weight isn't specifically light or heavy, but all is forgotten once it's on your head. 
 
4. Very fast, much more so than most headphones I've listened to. More like an electrostatic than a planar's speed, although this could be just me rambling. Edit: Credits go to @rrahman for that one, if he's who I'm identifying him with.
 
5. As is expected from a flagship, supreme and excellent sound. Once again, very friendly without losing out on any details, accuracy, soundstage, and most definitely is not what I would call "colored". Very enjoyable, like actually being at the concert instead of listening to a recording. Very 3d, and you can easily tell where each instrument is without any hesitation. I do believe it's more of a "large room" feel than a hall, but with such 3d abilities over any other headphone I've tried, I'm not sure there is one that does the job better than this. Bass, mids, and highs seem balanced to a Tee as well. Definitely no unwelcome bumps of any frequency sort that I can think of. 
 
6. Can't comment on comparison to any of the LCD's, don't have any. But I hope that others can fill in this slot.
 
7. And the most surprising of all, is that although you need an amp to get the most out of these headphones, it really doesn't sound half bad without one. Ohm rating I expect to be super low, as my Shozy Alien drove these power-wise without any problem (i.e. has enough power). The Shozy has power problems driving cans rated above 50-60 ohms, so I'm surprised these were driven so effortlessly. Of course, without an amp, some of the details will be lost in a perfect recording, but you can definitely expect to enjoy your music until you muster the money to buy one, if you don't have one yet :) Be warned: if you are using an amp, do yourself a favor a use a good one. I tried an O2 with these with quite unpleasant results. Not anywhere as picky as the HD800's to my knowledge, but use common sense.
 
That's it! Pictures and impressions welcome here! 
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Jan 18, 2015 at 9:34 PM Post #4 of 174
Well I came by and heard these today...  My impressions
 
Technically speaking... Well built, metal, looks a bit fragile because of exposed diaphragm elements, but thats just speculation.  Very comfortable, feels just a little heavier than my HD800, but equally as comfy.  I'd say a step up in design from the other hifiman headphones and audeze headphones.  My only gripe, is the earpad felt feels like the same felt on a HD650, I prefer HD800s alcantara or the LCD3 leather pads.  Fang told me he was planning on improving the looks even more prior to release so we will see.
 
Sound wise closer to my HD800 or a Stax than the LCD's, but we are splitting hairs here.  Tonally. marginally brighter than the LCD series.  I agree with avitron that these headphones sounded very quick, comprable to the HD800.  They also sounded very light and airy but less so than my HD800.  Less clinical than the HD800, but still highly resolving.  Soundstage was definitely superior to my LCD3s, less than the HD800 though.  Extension was also pretty impressive, but I don't think it had the slam and bass texture of my LCD3.  Most importanly, no really annoying treble peaks, muddied bass, or anything overwhelmingly wrong sounding.  In alot aspects the HE1000 sits in the super narrow sweet spot between the HD800 and LCD3.  Overall they sounded very impressive to me and it could be my main headphone, but it wasn't a slam dunk between the SR009, LCD3, and HD800.  I could probably be okay with any of these 4 headphones as my main.
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 10:40 PM Post #5 of 174
Looks very promising!
 
Maybe I missed it on the other thread but did they happen to release the price yet? Or a rough price range?
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 10:55 PM Post #7 of 174
  I tried asking, but I don't think there was an approximate range yet. My guess would be somewhere between $1000-1500, but again I could be very wrong.

Thanks, that is a fair guess, I assume and hope it is in that price range as well.
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 11:45 PM Post #8 of 174
Looks very promising!

Maybe I missed it on the other thread but did they happen to release the price yet? Or a rough price range?
I tried asking, but I don't think there was an approximate range yet. My guess would be somewhere between $1000-1500, but again I could be very wrong.


Given the fact that the good doctor himself A) compared it to the Orpheus, and B) described it as "several levels above the HE-6," I would guess the price would be a bit higher than that, more in the $2000 - 3000 range or maybe even higher.
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 11:46 PM Post #9 of 174
  I tried asking, but I don't think there was an approximate range yet. My guess would be somewhere between $1000-1500, but again I could be very wrong.

 
 
  Thanks, that is a fair guess, I assume and hope it is in that price range as well.


You guys are funny!  
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Jan 19, 2015 at 12:04 AM Post #11 of 174
   
 

You guys are funny!  
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 Welcome to Head-Fi!!!!

Here we go... well immubiker what makes you old school?
 
 
Given the fact that the good doctor himself A) compared it to the Orpheus, and B) described it as "several levels above the HE-6," I would guess the price would be a bit higher than that, more in the $2000 - 3000 range or maybe even higher.

Thanks, news to me. HE6 has been out for a while now. Wonder what's going to be it's revamp... HE-600?
 
Jan 19, 2015 at 12:34 AM Post #12 of 174
  lol "Sorry about your wallet" sounds about right 
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More like, Sorry about your kidney 
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The more I listen to my mid-fi POS HE-560s on my mid-fi Lyr, the happier I am.
 
 
 
 
 
*not really a POS 
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Jan 19, 2015 at 12:59 AM Post #13 of 174
 
More like, Sorry about your kidney 
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The more I listen to my mid-fi POS HE-560s on my mid-fi Lyr, the happier I am.
 
 
*not really a POS 
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Props, someone that sees the light!
 
... Longer I am on this site more I understand why my buddy quite going to meets, sold all his headphones and gave up on people and this hobby all together. Don't worry he is happy spending 10s of thousands on dirt bike and motor sports.
 
Jan 19, 2015 at 1:09 AM Post #14 of 174
I went with my brother (who has no headphone experience outside of consumer brands like Bose) to the NYC mini-meet today & heard the HE1000. Then we immediately went to Stereo Exchange & listened to the HD800, Audeze LCD-X, and Audeze LCD-3. I would like to thank Dr. Fang for offering this amazing opportunity. He was extremely knowledge and very friendly.
 
Note: I do believe that direct side-by-side comparisons are more objective & accurate. Unfortunately, I was not able to do anything like that as I was just visiting NYC for the weekend & couldn't bring any of my gear. We just used the equipment that was provided. So these are just some of our initial subjective impressions.
 
Design: Build quality & comfort was extremely excellent. Felt very high quality & well-built. Metal & wood construction. Very light-weight. Holes in the headband did not pose a problem. The metal suspension design was even sturdier than the ones on the HE-560. Earcups are huge (cover a ton of surface area on the side of your head). Earpads were extremely comfortable & had enough depth for me. I did not think that the open grill design would detract from its durability. Everything felt very solid.
 
They do leak a ton of noise. I would say they leak more noise than any other headphones I have tried. Fang did state that he is planning to improve the build quality even further, but will probably not change the styling of the headphones. He stated he may offer another color option though. I really hope so, but they actually do look quite gorgeous in person. Much better than what I thought from the initial pictures. The cable connection at the earcup has been upgraded (compared to the older Hifiman headphones) to the easy-to-use 2.5mm connectors similar to the ones found on the PM-1. Cable build quality was much better than the ones on the PM-1s though.
 
Quick Sonic Impressions:
 
1) The HE1000 definitely has a wider sound stage and more precise imaging than the HD800, LCD-X, and LCD-3 from my auditioning. I thought this was a very noticeable upgrade as my brother who has no experience with headphones & could not really differentiate the differences in sound stage between the HD800 & Audeze headphones also noticed the HE1000 had a better sound stage than all the other headphones. They are extremely holographic and the music does in fact feel like it is playing within the room rather than from the headphones. Very realistic presentation and the sound stage was more fully 3-dimensional rather than just L-R wideness. There was a sense of height and depth along with the extremely wide L-R sound stage. (this may be due to the earcup shape & open grill design). I would actually love to run more detailed direct comparisons against other headphones focusing specifically on sound stage to confirm the exact variations. This is the most obvious sonic quality upgrade of the HE1000 IMO.
 
2) Sound signature was extremely neutral and linear. Highly detailed with no problems along the frequency response that I could detect during my short time with them. Bass was extremely excellent. Extends extremely extremely low and very tight. Great bass detail & texture (little micro rumbles within rumbles!). The bass actually felt very powerful and the most subwoofer-like of any headphones I have ever tried. I would say that from my auditions, the HE1k had better bass than the LCD-X (which I thought had the best bass out of the three headphones I tried at Stereo Exchange). Treble clarity was very amazing and extremely realistic. In fact, during one song when some chimes & bells played, my brother & I both reached for our cell phones (as it sounded like the bells & chimes were coming from in room rather than from the headphones). We thought our phone alarm was going off hahah.
 
My brother and I both agree that the HE1000 does really seem to be a league above the other flagship headphones we tried. Dr. Fang stated that pricing is still undetermined as he believes that he can get even better sonic performance out of these headphones to the point that it is an immediately noticeable upgrade from what we've heard today. From my audition with them today, I thought that currently there is a noticeable enough upgrade in sound quality so that even pricing set above the other $1.5-$2k flagships would be reasonable for its significant sonic performance improvements. Of course, in this hobby though, subjective preferences in sound signature will ultimately determine your flagship choice. My initial impressions are that these headphones do significantly technically outperform the other flagships we tried today.
 
Final note: just to reiterate, we were unable to do do direct side-by-side comparisons, there was time lapse so we were relying on our audio memory, and there were differences in set-ups and source files (though all the headphones we tried were paired with extremely high-quality $2k+ amplifiers & high resolution source files so should not detract from the headphone's potential & performance abilities). Do please take these thoughts as initial impressions rather than a detailed objective final review.
 
Cheers!
 

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