[SpringBiscuit]

 
Sure - it`s actually Ostry, not Osty.  It was my typo above and I`ve fixed it. 
 
They suddenly appeared here in Tokyo and nobody seems to know much about them.  They are from Ostry, the chinese IEM maker, but as far as I know they are not included with their IEMs.  They are marketed as sibilance-controlling tips, and come in three strengths, called OS100 (blue), OS200(red) and OS300(strongest, black).  They look a lot like Spinfits (translucent white silicon with colored insert) but fit nothing like them.  There`s no flexible joint, the sound tube is completely rigid -cannot collapse because there is a metal ring inside, and there is a metal mesh in there too.  I bought all 9 variations (3 strengths x 3 sizes) I`ve been testing the M size OS200s all morning on both my Dunu DN2K and Fitear Parterre and the results are quite interesting, and kind of confusing. 
 

 

 

 
 
First off, I am getting a perfect, effortless seal with both ears, with the M size. They don`t insert as far as Spinfits, but the quality of silicon is such that the seal, for me, is simply perfect.  
Second, for some reason I am hearing a definite increase in detail.  Assuming the metal mesh is there to block certain frequencies (associated with sibilance), I was expecting a loss of detail. 
Third, with the Dunu DN2K, I am losing significant bass frequencies, the low end is rolling right off. I think this is due to the excellent seal and grip of the Ostry tip, its rigid nature, and the weight of the DN2K: The drivers are simply being held at an un-optimized angle by my outer ear canal shape.  If I use my hands to change the angle, the bass returns as clear as ever.  The DN2K do include all those little silicon add-ons to hold it in place, so I am sure I could align them perfectly, but it`s too much of PITA for me to do that, because the DN2K with Spinfits is perfection. 
 
With the Parterre, there is no loss of bass, I assume because the rigid over-ear cable is holding the drivers where they need to be.  
 
It is still very early stage of testing these; I will be taking them out today with both IEMs to do some shopping so it`ll put more real-world challenges on them.  
They really are beautifully made.  I didn`t think silicon tips could get more complex but Ostry managed to do it.  

How does it compares to spin fit in other earphones? What i heard that Spinfit has some problem with Dunu DN2k?

 

[AlterSack]

I received my Spin Fits today from Dopaminer (thx again) 
I am listening to them with the FAD Heaven VI right now for 1 hour or so. I still don't know what to make of them.
 
The regular FAD Tips I use are L. With the Spin Fit L tips I get a very good feeling of seal and fit - but I lose a lot of bass - as if the lower  frequencies were cut off completely. At the same time the mids and highs are strongly emphasized.
 
When I use the M size Spin Fits there is still some more detail in the mids and highs left, still some timbre is missing  and the deep bass, especially the bass vibrations that I seem to feel with the regular FAD tips are lost. At the same time the bass is quicker with the Spin Fits. 
(very good to hear on Casandra Wilson  - Black Crow)
Maybe need some time for brain burn in - never thought I would say someting like this about tips.LOL  
 
Anyway - what I recognize is that the FAD regular tips are a littl bit longer than the Spin Fits - When using the Spin Fits I have to insert them very deeply into my ear canal to receive a somehow comparable bass.
When Listening to Fat Freddy's "Ernie"  from "Based on a true stroy" I suddenly had no bass at all and then when I moved them around a bit suddenly the bass was there again.  With "Ray Ray" from the same album - which has some clearly dominant bass drum and synthy bass - it sounded ok - but the difference in bass is clearly discernible for me. Listening to "Dark Days"  gave me goose bumps over and over - buit that's what happens to me with this song often.
 
I guess with the Heaven VI it s a question of preference: a little bit darker sound with a more accentuated bass (maybe for reggae, Dub, Some techno)  or a bit brighter with enough bass but a stronger accentuation on the mids and highs (probably for classical, piano, jazz - music where instrument separation is more important).
 
For me I need to fiddle around with the fit of the M size - when I find the right position the bass is there and the mids and highs are somewhat improved over the regular FAD tips (which are really not bad at all to my mind).
 
Just my initial thoughts.  Will try the Spin Fits with the Earwerkz Supra next as was recommended here.

 

[Chodi]

  I received my Spin Fits today from Dopaminer (thx again) 
I am listening to them with the FAD Heaven VI right now for 1 hour or so. I still don't know what to make of them.
 
The regular FAD Tips I use are L. With the Spin Fit L tips I get a very good feeling of seal and fit - but I lose a lot of bass - as if the lower  frequencies were cut off completely. At the same time the mids and highs are strongly emphasized.
 
When I use the M size Spin Fits there is still some more detail in the mids and highs left, still some timbre is missing  and the deep bass, especially the bass vibrations that I seem to feel with the regular FAD tips are lost. At the same time the bass is quicker with the Spin Fits. 
(very good to hear on Casandra Wilson  - Black Crow)
Maybe need some time for brain burn in - never thought I would say someting like this about tips.LOL  
 
Anyway - what I recognize is that the FAD regular tips are a littl bit longer than the Spin Fits - When using the Spin Fits I have to insert them very deeply into my ear canal to receive a somehow comparable bass.
When Listening to Fat Freddy's "Ernie"  from "Based on a true stroy" I suddenly had no bass at all and then when I moved them around a bit suddenly the bass was there again.  With "Ray Ray" from the same album - which has some clearly dominant bass drum and synthy bass - it sounded ok - but the difference in bass is clearly discernible for me. Listening to "Dark Days"  gave me goose bumps over and over - buit that's what happens to me with this song often.
 
I guess with the Heaven VI it s a question of preference: a little bit darker sound with a more accentuated bass (maybe for reggae, Dub, Some techno)  or a bit brighter with enough bass but a stronger accentuation on the mids and highs (probably for classical, piano, jazz - music where instrument separation is more important).
 
For me I need to fiddle around with the fit of the M size - when I find the right position the bass is there and the mids and highs are somewhat improved over the regular FAD tips (which are really not bad at all to my mind).
 
Just my initial thoughts.  Will try the Spin Fits with the Earwerkz Supra next as was recommended here.

I'm not surprised at your results. The Fad is worn like an ear bud and hangs out of the ear. That places downward pressure on the tip. It require a tip that really locks into the ear to bear the weight of the angle. I don't think spinfits will work very good for that. Your Earwerkz is more of an in ear design and I bet that works fine. You can use the Sensaphonics test (download it)  http://www.sensaphonics.com/test .
 
That test will quickly tell you if the seal is correct. You will never really get equal volume from the bass and the high frequency on that test without their custom sleeves. I think the test was designed that way as sort of a marketing tool. Don't worry if you can clearly hear bass during the test don't fixate on the volume as long as it is reasonable. Once you can hear the bass clearly on the test then listen to your music. 

 

[Daedalus1116]

@Dopaminer, is the Spinfit tip that Jaben in Bangkok is selling made by Muse or the Japanese company? I was originally thinking of buying from them.

 

[Chodi]

@Dopaminer, is the Spinfit tip that Jaben in Bangkok is selling made by Muse or the Japanese company? I was originally thinking of buying from them.

The Jaben tips in Bangkok are different than the Japanese tips. So I guess there are at least two companies making these. The ones Jaben sells the tubes to the flange are not as easy to move. Anyway, they are different and Jaben is constantly out of stock. They also charge a very high price for the ones they sell. I use the ones from Japan.

 

[Dopaminer]

@Dopaminer, is the Spinfit tip that Jaben in Bangkok is selling made by Muse or the Japanese company? I was originally thinking of buying from them.

As Chodi explained, they are different.  The Japanese Spinfits are from Sarounbi, which is the company that owns Olasonic (components) and Ochiraku (IEMs like the Flat 4 Kaede and Donguri Keyaki).   When I checked out the Muse Spinfits in Bangkok they definitely seemed rougher, stiffer than the ones here in Japan.  These are very supple, flexible.  
 
Why not try both and do a head-to-head?  

 

[ANDEROAN]

well I am going to offer up a cheap fix it for smaller stemmed IEMs like the W4s, PM me if you'd care to try it,
 
as you can see it fits the W4s nicely, and comfortably fits the spiraldot tips now, and will accomidate the spifit tips also
 
 
 
a little long but then you can trim it down
 

 
you can see that it accomidates the spiraldot tip nicely!
 

 
on the left is a stem that I cut away from a tip that came with the W4s, and on the right is a stem from the plugs that I get from work, it has a lrger center so it will open up the sound aswell,
 
trim it to a comfortable length, slip it on, and then put on almost any tip that you want to try, pretty easy peasy!
 
 

 

[doublea71]

Just ordered some from Dopaminer - thanks for the help and hopefully these Rockets will disappear into my ears.

 

[Cagin]

Lucky canjammers! Jaben booth has them spinfits at $5 a pair :eek:

 

[jdog]

  well I am going to offer up a cheap fix it for smaller stemmed IEMs like the W4s, PM me if you'd care to try it,
 
as you can see it fits the W4s nicely, and comfortably fits the spiraldot tips now, and will accomidate the spifit tips also
 
 
 
a little long but then you can trim it down
 

 
you can see that it accomidates the spiraldot tip nicely!
 

 
on the left is a stem that I cut away from a tip that came with the W4s, and on the right is a stem from the plugs that I get from work, it has a lrger center so it will open up the sound aswell,
 
trim it to a comfortable length, slip it on, and then put on almost any tip that you want to try, pretty easy peasy!
 
 

Many thanks to you for this modification, you helped me with my Westones a year or so ago with this method.  For those out there that would like a similar option, but who don't feel like you are DIY enough to pursue Anderoan's method (admittedly it is a very simple method), there is a site on ebay that sells silicon mushroom tips for IEMs with narrow nozzles (like Westone) and these also worked very well for me.  The tips come in small, medium and large sizes and you can get 10 tips for ~$13 US (includes shipping).  Here is the link:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Large-Soft-Replacement-Mushroom-Eartips-buds-gel-for-Westone-In-Ear-Earphones-/221253840488?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3383c1ae68. 

 

[Netforce]

I just got to try spinfit tips a day before CanJam, went on a tour of UE office/factory and hung out with some head fiers after and got dinner. moedawg140 had a few pairs but didn't have any of my iems with me to try them with. Fast forward to the first day of CanJam and lots of people were trying spinfits and talking about them. At the 1964ears booth their stock tips weren't sealing too well so they were offering spinfits and sure enough they worked.

Finally went over to the Jaben booth and tried initially my Vivo XE800 and the spinfits didn't work all too well with them. Then when I tried my Noble 4 I fell in love. Such a dramatic increase in bass quantity from the stock tips I was using prior. Using the JVC spiral dot tips increased the bass on the noble 4 for me in the past but it was a tad flabby, loose and uncontrolled not to mention clarity took quite a hit. Got 2 pairs for $10 immediately. Also when I was at the Jaben table saw some talking between UE and Jaben reps...
 
Later in the day saw a friend and I told him how much I liked the spinfits and he got 4 pairs of them but wasn't an IEM guy so he gave them to me. Got 6 pairs now and want to test em out on a whole bunch IEMs when I get a chance.

 
Wee~

 

[Dopaminer]

Cool, but those are definitely the Muse Spinfits . . .   

 

[jdog]

  I just got to try spinfit tips a day before CanJam, went on a tour of UE office/factory and hung out with some head fiers after and got dinner. moedawg140 had a few pairs but didn't have any of my iems with me to try them with. Fast forward to the first day of CanJam and lots of people were trying spinfits and talking about them. At the 1964ears booth their stock tips weren't sealing too well so they were offering spinfits and sure enough they worked.

Finally went over to the Jaben booth and tried initially my Vivo XE800 and the spinfits didn't work all too well with them. Then when I tried my Noble 4 I fell in love. Such a dramatic increase in bass quantity from the stock tips I was using prior. Using the JVC spiral dot tips increased the bass on the noble 4 for me in the past but it was a tad flabby, loose and uncontrolled not to mention clarity took quite a hit. Got 2 pairs for $10 immediately. Also when I was at the Jaben table saw some talking between UE and Jaben reps...
 
Later in the day saw a friend and I told him how much I liked the spinfits and he got 4 pairs of them but wasn't an IEM guy so he gave them to me. Got 6 pairs now and want to test em out on a whole bunch IEMs when I get a chance.

 
Wee~

Interesting, I don't know how much these Spinfits from Muse differ from the ones made by Sarounbi, but the Spinfits from Sarounbi have actually reduced the bass in every IEM I've tried them on....

 

[Chodi]

  Interesting, I don't know how much these Spinfits from Muse differ from the ones made by Sarounbi, but the Spinfits from Sarounbi have actually reduced the bass in every IEM I've tried them on....

The ones from Muse are slightly stiffer which might be causing a better seal in your case. Tips are a very individual matter as all our ears are different. I use the spinfits from Sarounbi with my Sure 846 and in my case I get all the bass the 8's can deliver. I also get a great seal and super comfort. The Muse tips cause my ears to itch. Like I said, it is a very individual thing.

 

[Dopaminer]

  Interesting, I don't know how much these Spinfits from Muse differ from the ones made by Sarounbi, but the Spinfits from Sarounbi have actually reduced the bass in every IEM I've tried them on....

That`s interesting.  I find the opposite: they increase the amount of bass frequencies I hear, I think because I`m getting a better seal, better isolation and with IEMs the lower frequencies are the first to be overpowered by ambient noise.  I known when I had thd FX850, with it`s enormous bass quantity, the Spinfits noticeably improved the qualtiy of it - by increasing the amount of detail I could hear.   They also make supposedly bass-light IEMs not noticeably bass-light any more, IME.    But again, these things are so individual-specific it`s not unusual for two people to have opposite experiences.  Or interpret the same thing in two opposite ways. 
 
Are those the same things?  I`m all confused. 
 
Back to the music. 
 
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