MrSpeakers Alpha PRIME: Impressions and Discussion Thread
Nov 9, 2014 at 5:47 PM Post #181 of 2,891
My first post at head-fi. Received my Alpha Prime headphones yesterday. I would like to share my excitement at this premium hp and some of my initial impressions.

 

To begin with, I have a modest but enjoyable set up: pc (with an external cd/dvd player)--- CEntrance DACport---- Little Dot Mk III (with tube upgrades)---- hp. Before the purchase of AP, I have had two middle level hps: HD650 (with a silver cable) and Grado RS1i. I like both of them for different reasons.

 

Getting the AP was based on several considerations. First, I wanted to have a taste of a hi-end hp. I did some homework on Audeze LCD hps but could not decide on which model to get. Reviewers seemed to split on which of the five models (LCD-2 with/without fazor; LCD-X; LCD-3 with/without fazor) is preferable. Since I do not have an easy access to the LCDs, I rely on putting various reviews together to make a purchase decision. In the case of Audeze LCDs, I could not reach a consensus on which one to buy. Plus, I noticed a fair number of reviewers who mentioned inadequacy of the LCD headband design. Comfort is an important factor to me. So I had to put aside my purchase of a LCD hp.

 

Then Mr Speakers Alpha Prime suddenly got my interest. Alpha Dog received overall good reviews and was noted as a good value at $600. First review by Michael Mercer was very positive about the major improvements in the AP over AD. Then I read more positive impressions of the AP at Can Jam 2014. I figured that the AP should be worthy of at least $900. So I pulled the trigger and ordered the AP.  

 

After two days of learning, it is clear to me that the AP outperforms both the HD650 and RS1i. It is fast and resolves a lot more details, particularly notable in bass and treble ranges. I heard things I have never heard before. For example, I heard clearly minor nose clearance and other non-music sounds on the Nocturnes CD by Rubinstein. I like to listen to amateur singing posted at some forums. The recording problems were so much more salient with the AP making those mp3 files become harder to enjoy.

 

As noted by other posts, AP produces tight and impactful bass which is a much more authoritative presence than with the other two hps. Though not a basshead at all, listening to the bass from the AP makes me realize again that plenty of good bass is indispensable for creating an engaging, immersive listening experience.

 

It is a really good thing that the AP produces extended non-fatigue trebles. Both my HD650 and RS1i are limited in the treble ranges. When volume reaches a certain but by no means extremely level, trebles from both of them become unpleasant. As to the HD650, I particularly noted a pattern that with some recordings, the mids sound recessed while the highs are already too bright and dry. In contrast, the AP has a much larger envelop in covering a fuller spectrum. Among about 10 CDs I listened to since yesterday. I only noticed some brightness with keyboard music on one CD (by Keiko Matsui). I did take note that another post mentioned a bump in some frequency range might be a potential source of brightness. Overall I am not concerned over this. Instead, I am happy with the non-fatigue sound from the AP. This is a crucial attribute of a good hp to me.

 

Besides great dynamics from excellent details and range, the AP also produces really good timbre of voice/instruments, another attribute I value a lot about a hp. I like piano and guitar sound from the RS1i, that crispiness and sweetness, colored but in a good way. The AP is much more neutral than both RS1i and HD650. It is capable to reproduce the natural timbre of piano and female voices (I am enjoying some opera singing now—it is satisfying). I noted many instances of well conveyed warm wooden instrument sounds and glorious or rock-n-roll metal instrument sounds and male voices. In terms of playing classical music, the AP exceeds both of those hps by a big margin due to its neutrality, dynamics, and coherence/balance across frequency spectrum. I have never had any moments at which the AP sounds too clinically analytic to be musical. There is some magic as to how it is capable of this balance.

 

Despite being a closed back hp, the AP also produces larger, or at least equal, soundstage and better sound separation than the other two hps. One specific thing I have noted is that voices are not recessed relative to instrument sounds in any CD I heard with the AP. This is not the case for my HD650. I was bothered by the imbalance rendered by the HD650 when listening to quite some songs.

 

Comfort. Though heavier than the other two hps, the AP is more comfortable as it is right from the box. Wearing glasses poses no problem for comfort due to the well-designed soft pad (an extreme contrast to the firm foam on the RS1i). The sound sealing is so good that it sets up a listening experience as I was be seated in a well isolated and well dampened studio. This is something I am surprised and amazed at. A job well done by Mr Speakers.

 

My overall impression is that the AP is a premium all-rounder hp. Since I have never heard other top hi-end hps, it makes me wonder how good the AP is compared to the best audiophile hps out there. But it is undoubtedly in a league higher than my HD650 and RS1i. The closed-back design offers an additional practical advantage. To me, it is a keeper.
 
Nov 9, 2014 at 6:25 PM Post #182 of 2,891
Please do not try to adjust the vent on the Prime, this does not function the same as the Alpha Dog and is not user-adjustible.  
 
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Nov 10, 2014 at 10:36 AM Post #183 of 2,891
 
 
agree with this setting on picture it's the most balanced.
Compared to Stax SR-009 i prefer Prime just because it's more musical and hits tighter, the SR-009 is more neutral but not as fun as Prime,i think that's it,enjoy!
 

 
Nov 10, 2014 at 1:49 PM Post #185 of 2,891
   
 
agree with this setting on picture it's the most balanced.
Compared to Stax SR-009 i prefer Prime just because it's more musical and hits tighter, the SR-009 is more neutral but not as fun as Prime,i think that's it,enjoy!
 
 
 

Are you going to sell any of your Stax headphones?
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  I thought I was crazy to own three Stax headphones at one time. Just have the mint black and gold SR-5. I worn out the other two Lambda,s The prime is more balanced and much more fun! I thinking of getting a coat rack tree to store my headphones. Much cheaper that way.
 
Nov 10, 2014 at 7:05 PM Post #186 of 2,891
   
 
agree with this setting on picture it's the most balanced.
Compared to Stax SR-009 i prefer Prime just because it's more musical and hits tighter, the SR-009 is more neutral but not as fun as Prime,i think that's it,enjoy!
 

Glad I'm not the only one who has compared the AP to the SR-009. Both are among the most resolving and detailed headphones I have ever heard. The AP edges the SR-009 out on musicality and bass. The SR-009 edges the AP in soundstage and mids.
 
Still though comparing a $1000 headphone to a $5000 headphone is a standing ovation for Dan's ability to modify the T50RP driver and remove the "T50RP veil". Yes I said a veil, that is what I hear when I compared the AP to the Alpha Dogs. The veil is the soundstage of the Alpha Dog and slightly grainy treble that is further refined with the modified driver.
 
Just to clarify on the soundstage, I'd say the improvements are substantial especially in the width and height. It sounds as if the T50RP driver went on a diet and now is accompanied with more air and cup space because sound travels more freely as if the Alpha Dogs cups were carved out deeper on the inside.
 
Nov 10, 2014 at 9:58 PM Post #188 of 2,891
Anyone have any comments on the qualities of the AP versus the LCD XC?
Cheers in advance.


Mike Mercer has his comparison with the LCD-XC in the comments section of his review at headphone.guru
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM Post #189 of 2,891
The XC is a great headphone if you value audiophile performance more than the enjoyment of music. I found it had an uncanny ability to simultaneously wow me from a technical perspective, bore me from a musical perspective, and pain me from a comfort perspective. It's also very picky with the music it likes and too energetic in the upper mids/treble (IMO). What kind of music do you listen to?
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM Post #190 of 2,891
Originally Posted by TomNC /img/forum/go_quote.gif

The recording problems were so much more salient with the AP making those mp3 files become harder to enjoy.
 

 
My music collection is largely vinyl rips and/or records that weren't recorded under the most technically savvy conditions.  While most of my rips are lossless, some from friends etc are mp3s.  Now, I understand that most any top-tier headphone is going to be revealing, and no headphone can make a crappy recording sound good, but I'm a bit concerned with the AP bringing too much attention to flaws in my recordings.
 
Right now I'm using the NAD VISO HP50, which I like because of it's neutral-to-slightly-warm presentation and impressive soundstage.  It's quite forgiving of poorly recorded material and dusty/scratchy records.  I mainly got interested in the original AD because it was mentioned several times on this forum (and elsewhere) as an "upgrade" from the HP50, as it was described as having a similarly "neutral" (though maybe a bit brighter) sound but better overall in terms of soundstage, detail, and comfort.
 
As I was looking into the AD, I saw the AP announcement!  Obviously, this has made my decision more difficult, so here I am, wondering which direction I should go.  Will the AP be possibly too revealing/analytical for me to get lost in my less-than-stellar quality records/rips?  I realize it might be too soon to get a consensus on this, but wondering what the fortunate listeners have thought so far about this.
 
Unfortunately, as I live out in the sticks, it would be very difficult for me to demo these headphones before buying.
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 5:49 PM Post #191 of 2,891
How long should one burn in a upgraded Alpha Dog to Alpha Prime?
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM Post #192 of 2,891
FYI, our production has gone smoothly so I'm removing the "by Dec 8" and simply quoting less than three weeks for delivery.  We may be able to do better than that, too.
 
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Nov 11, 2014 at 7:09 PM Post #193 of 2,891
FYI, our production has gone smoothly so I'm removing the "by Dec 8" and simply quoting less than three weeks for delivery.  We may be able to do better than that, too.


Under—promise, over—deliver works every time!
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM Post #194 of 2,891
Don't buy the concept of burn in. Just put 'em on and enjoy 'em.
 
Nov 11, 2014 at 8:24 PM Post #195 of 2,891
Mike Mercer has his comparison with the LCD-XC in the comments section of his review at headphone.guru

 
The XC is a great headphone if you value audiophile performance more than the enjoyment of music. I found it had an uncanny ability to simultaneously wow me from a technical perspective, bore me from a musical perspective, and pain me from a comfort perspective. It's also very picky with the music it likes and too energetic in the upper mids/treble (IMO). What kind of music do you listen to?

 
Thanks for the replies. Have gone through a lot of phones including HD800 and Stax02Mk1. The LCD2.1 has always been one of the most fun phones I have owned, I am a fan of the Audeze house sound. Now need closed phones, was considering the AP as much cheaper, but have sourced a great condition XC for the same price. Listen to everything, comfort/weight not an issue as will use them in a reclined position with head rest.
 

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