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Sep 4, 2015 at 7:40 AM Post #136 of 10,023
I would recommend strongly considering at least including a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter if that is possible at this stage. Basically a standard accessory for headphones designed for more professional usage (even at the $100 price point.). All planar magnetic flagships above the $1k price point from major brands come bundled with two cables included as well, so just something else to consider.
 
Majority of your target audience will be planning on using these headphones connected via 1/4" jack or a balanced jack of an amplifier.
 
Sep 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM Post #137 of 10,023
kennerton team said:
 
pedalhead said:
  Kennerton Team - I've PM'd you with a request for info on UK dealers for the Odin
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A couple of additional questions please...
 
1. Are there any sonic differences between the old wood and regular Odin, or is is cosmetic only?
2. Does the Odin really come with a 3.5mm termination only? I suspect this would force 99% of owners to use an adapter unless they bought an aftermarket cable, which isn't the end of the world but also not ideal.  Personally, I'd like to see a 1/4" and maybe even 4-pin XLR terminated cables in the box on a premium product like this (as with the HE-1000), or at least a choice of cable termination at time of purchase (MrSpeakers).
 
Cheers!  Mark.
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Dear Mark,
 
At the moment, we are talking about the distribution with three companies in the UK, but we have not yet made their choice. This is due to the fact that our rule is: in one country should be only one distributor. But, unfortunately, we are in some countries made the wrong choice of distributor and now we are experiencing great difficulties in those markets. On the one hand, the contracts were signed till the end of the year, we can not change distributors. On the other hand, retailers in these countries are doing nothing and are only interested in the margin. If you have ideas with whom we should talk in the UK on this issue - we'll be very grateful.
 
Are there any sonic differences between the old wood and regular Odin, or is is cosmetic only?
 
Since Kennerton Odin - is a fully open headphones, the type of wood and the way of finishing plays a role only cosmetic effect
 
2. Does the Odin really come with a 3.5mm termination only? I suspect this would force 99% of owners to use an adapter unless they bought an aftermarket cable, which is not the end of the world but also not ideal. Personally, I'd like to see a 1/4 "and maybe even 4-pin XLR terminated cables in the box on a premium product like this (as with the HE-1000), or at least a choice of cable termination at time of purchase (MrSpeakers).
 
In the future, we expect to offer a choice of a wide range of cables made of Litz with different connectors to choose from: 3,5mm with adapter 6.3mm, 6.3mm connector, connector 4-pin XLR.
Unfortunately, there is no universal solution and each user's have different preferences.
 
Sincerely, Kennerton Team.
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Thanks for the reply. As @money4me247 suggests, if you can only ship the Odin with a single cable then I think we'd all agree that a 1/4" plug is the best option to cover the most scenarios out. Anyway, this is a small issue overall...I'm looking forward to getting some more head-time with these in the near future.
 
Sep 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM Post #138 of 10,023
In France, the importer sends the Odin headphones with a Jack 1/4 "(6.34 mm), if we make the request (no need a adapter). The French importer himself made the change (change the jack).
 
The Odin that I've ordered early August, for my Luminare amp, will be shipped mid September (the date is confirmed)  with a 6.35 mm (1/4 ") Jack
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Sep 5, 2015 at 6:17 AM Post #141 of 10,023
Riddle: what relationship exists between the Kennerton Odin and a Russian submarine (Akula-class) ? 
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Edit : To help you a bit:

A: Both are "killers" (of the opposing submarines and competing headphones)
B: the design offices (of each) are located in the same city
C: they share both the same material for absorption of acoustic waves
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 3:06 AM Post #142 of 10,023
 I have several questions for the team Kennerton:
 
What do you recommend for amplifier to drive Odin? A tubes amplifier or a transistorized amplifier ?
 
What power of the amp (on 35 Ohms) is recommended?

Subsidiary question: Odin sensitivity of 104 dB is given: but for 1 mW or for 1 Volt?

Thank you in advance for your clarification.
 
Cordially,
 
Eric
 
PS: the answer to my riddle above: in fact these 3 answers (A, B and C) are correct.
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 3:32 AM Post #143 of 10,023
eric65 said:
   I have several questions for the team Kennerton:
 
What do you recommend for amplifier to drive Odin? A tubes amplifier or a transistorized amplifier ?
 
What power of the amp (on 35 Ohms) is recommended?

Subsidiary question: Odin sensitivity of 104 dB is given: but for 1 mW or for 1 Volt?

Thank you in advance for your clarification.
 
Cordially,
 
Eric
 
PS: the answer to my riddle above: in fact these 3 answers (A, B and C) are correct.
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D: is there any chance for Kennerton providing an XLR (4 pins) set of cables? 
 
B.r. 
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Sep 9, 2015 at 3:40 AM Post #144 of 10,023
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Sep 9, 2015 at 3:56 AM Post #145 of 10,023
eric65 said:
  Hello dub, thank you for your answers (about amplifiers for Odin).
 
In fact the answers A, B and C are references to my previous post
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 (see my riddle : http://www.head-fi.org/t/732814/new-kennerton-odin-planar-magnetic-magister-vali-headphones-cables-amps-from-fischer-at-ifa/135#post_11892828)
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At first I didn't see t'was you! I must be blind, or dump…
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  So I erased my answers and added another one! 
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But… are you sure your OTL set will be noisy on law impedance? is it the case with your LCD? 
I only met one problem with noise with a peculiar set: plugging my Ergo AMT (3 Ohms I think) on an Audio Innovation SE500 EL34 tubes amplifier via ergo impedancer — and I must add that this amp isn't young: it surely has a little problem somewhere (I'll have to drive it to the doctor someday)… 
 
Major issue for me — due to high sensitivity of the Odin — was to find the proper adjustment with volume with my amp, since it's probably "too powerful"……
 
Of course I can't tell you anything about Luminare in OTL set……
 
B.r. 
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Sep 9, 2015 at 4:10 AM Post #146 of 10,023
dub said:
 
At first I didn't see t'was you! I must be blind, or dump…
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  So I erased my answers and added another one! 
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But… are you sure your OTL set will be noisy on law impedance? is it the case with your LCD? 
I only met one problem with noise with a peculiar set: plugging my Ergo AMT (3 Ohms I think) on an Audio Innovation SE500 EL34 tubes amplifier via ergo impedancer — and I must add that this amp isn't young: it surely has a little problem somewhere (I'll have to drive it to the doctor someday)… 
 
Major issue for me — due to high sensitivity of the Odin — was to find the proper adjustment with volume with my amp, since it's probably "too powerful"……
 
Of course I can't tell you anything about Luminare in OTL set……
 
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For my Luminare amplifier, in OTL Mode (gain 32 dB): there is a small breath (noise) (in the silences) with the LCD-X headphones (22 Ohms) (bearable breath); this breath (noise) (in the silences) is almost imperceptible with LCD3F (110 Ohms), still in OTL mode.
 
In Impedancer Mode of my Luminare amp (step-down transformer: ratio 6: 1) (amplifier gain reduced to 32-15.5 = 16.5 dB), the breath (noise) of the amplifier Luminare (in the silences) disappears completely with the LCD-X (and also, the LCD3F, of course).
 
Eric
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 4:15 AM Post #147 of 10,023
eric65 said:
   
For my Luminare amplifier, in OTL Mode (gain 32 dB): there is a small breath (in the silences) with the LCD-X (22 Ohms) headphones (bearable breath); this breath (in the silences) is almost imperceptible with LCD3F (110 Ohms), still in OTL mode.
 
Eric
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Did you ask Helmutt Becker if there's any solution to have OTL mode on low impedances? 
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 4:30 AM Post #148 of 10,023
dub said:
   
Did you ask Helmutt Becker if there's any solution to have OTL mode on low impedances? 
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No.
 
The only solution for listen (with the Luminare amp) a low impedance headphones (in theory < 100 Ohms) is to use the Impedancer Mode of the Luminare amp (with the Transformers step-down 6:1) (except perhaps with the Abyss (46 Ohms) and the HE-6 (50 ohm) where the OTL mode seems to well work, but these two headphones are very few sensitive: no problem of breath (noise) (in OTL mode of the Luminare amp) with these two low sensitivity headphones).
 
Eric
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM Post #149 of 10,023
eric65 said:
   I have several questions for the team Kennerton:
 
What do you recommend for amplifier to drive Odin? A tubes amplifier or a transistorized amplifier ?
 
What power of the amp (on 35 Ohms) is recommended?

Subsidiary question: Odin sensitivity of 104 dB is given: but for 1 mW or for 1 Volt?

Thank you in advance for your clarification.
 
Cordially,
 
Eric
 
PS: the answer to my riddle above: in fact these 3 answers (A, B and C) are correct.
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Hi Eric, thanks for the questions.
 
1. We designed Odin mainly using solid state amps, and also used some tubes on last development stages. Both must be fine.
However, as we intended Odin to sound neutral, with fast  transients, and open mids - we suggest to stay away from "digital-sounding" DACs. Sound may become overly sharp with them. Warmer amp can help here.
2. No special power requirement, I even used it with my Iphone.  1 good Watt is mooore than enough for SPL. Quality, of course, is another question, and it does not measure in Watts
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3. Its 104dB/mW. As I said, it's pretty easy to drive.
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D: is there any chance for Kennerton providing an XLR (4 pins) set of cables? 
 
B.r. 
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We will try to provide them in coming months. First bunch, however will come without XLR's as default. But, If ordering from our web-site, we can replace the jack per your request.
Also, keep in mind that third party cables, made for other known "A" brand, must work without problems
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