SONY NWZ-A10 Series
Nov 2, 2014 at 6:00 AM Post #976 of 7,541
Accessoryjack is legit, I`ve ordered a set of JVC FX800`s ($360 RRP) and a set of etymotic er4`s and both came well packaged, sealed and without damage. Shipping is slow with regular post, about 3-4 weeks but express takes less than a week, I live in AUS though so it may be faster for me. Warranty was also no problem though I dealt with etymotic directly not accessoryjack so ymmv, but overall pretty reputable, I wouldn`y hesitate to buy from them again, another good site is dwidigitalcameras but eglobal, athough often offering the cheapest prices, are no good.
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 6:08 AM Post #977 of 7,541
AJ is a decent site, products must be cheap in Hong-Kong lots of dealers from there.

thanks for the feedback,and it does seem they are legit with the only issue being that (according to the posts from this older head fi forum post linked below) if you buy products from AJ even though the products are genuine and not knock offs or fake, they are not warrantied by the manufacturers but by AJ themselves,I would imagine this is due to much of their stock being imported, but i bought my Sony F807 last year from a Japanese vendor on Amazon knowing full and well i had no chance of any warranty as Sony USA only warranty products bought in the United States, but never worried since every Sony player I have ever purchased has lasted for years , so in fact purchasing from AJ seems safer.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/584835/is-accessoryjack-com-a-legit-site
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 6:10 AM Post #978 of 7,541
This thing seems like a logical upgrade for the Cowon J3 - it retains the same size factor and battery life is excellent, but ups the ante with a better UI and the ability to play hi-res music. I think it's available here, so I'll try to A/B it with my J3 sometime soon. The price is really competitive from a features stand point, but I'm not sure about the sound...the shop which sells it noticeably cut the price of the ZX-1 from nearly $1,000 to around $650 brand new - not sure why...
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 6:49 AM Post #979 of 7,541
Take this impression with the note that
1. I dont have any golden ear
2. comparisons are nearly wholly by memory
3. I didnt use hi res , because the stuff I listened to seldom have one
4. I am comparatively new to this world compared to professional reviewer like ljokerl, or lieven for that matter
5. its a rambling

Size , build , and other stuff
Rather good , standard sony quality although I would have liked some parts to have a matte finish to not be a fingerprint magnet , the thing is THIN, the X5 is around 1,5x the width , 1.25x the length and well more than twice the thickness, i guess this is what sony is aiming for with this player. Color me impressed for its size , something I didnt experience when I looked at the X1 (its still too thick and chunky)as a choice for my mini player

The UI
The ui is rather good , although I would have preffered touchscreen with buttons , the dpad is clicky and tactile, I do think back and option button is tiny. It can read metadata , and it can do folders. I have some critics on how hard it is to get back to now playing screen from anywhere besides the main menu. Well its better than my X5, however its on par for companies like apple and sony to make the UI look like this in comparison to their research in that matter

The sound
Unlike the comment I get from people saying how S master saying it suck in terms of power, I feel that the A series have the power where it want to be , the power is sufficient to drive my UM3dd, sufficient to drive the DT1350 and the MDR1A, which I guess is basically what sony is telling people what this product is meant to be used with, instead of something along the line of audezes. Whatever your ipod or itouch can drive the A series prolly can as well

The sound is very clean , something along the line of it being sterile , which is the same impression I actually get from the ZX1. The basshave faster decay compared to the X1 , while reaching approximately the same kind of depth and extension , only losing a bit on the slam factor thanks to the fast decays. The treble have a cutoff on the peaks , it however reaches higher than the X1. The mid sounds cold and forward, this is a different characteristic compared to most fiios player who focused on warm intimate mids.

The soundstage is wide and expansive and can feel empty at times, but for people who likes the "theater" or "3d" feel, it is very good and sastifying. The X1 approached it differently, balancing both expanse and width , but its not that special , it feels very ordinary , there is no wow factor.

In terms of technicality I would have to choose the A series as a winner if compared to the X1 , with it winning in more areas and two other being rather subjective . The X5 on the other hand just outright wins against it, there is basically nowhere the A series actually "won" against the X5 in terms of sound, in SIZE on the other hand...

conclusion/tl;dr
I would pick the A15 compared to the X1 , if I have to get a secondary player for some reason, while I am paying for basically for two X1 but the the A15 is just so thin and compact and at the right size, the sound is not exactly worse either with the A15 being at least on par if not better to some people

eh whatever
Stuff I cannot test
1.Battery Life
2. LO and Digital out (i can confirm the LO works though)
3.Measurement (cant test what I dont put stock in, also obvious reasons )
4. Micro SD capactiy (mine is 64)


I think I will get mine in december or something
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 6:52 AM Post #980 of 7,541
Would this be a worthwhile upgrade from a htc m8?, I can get the player at a special price and will mainly use it for jogging and travel when I need a light player with large storage (a 128gb micro sd for my M8 would get me 60% of the way to a walkman anyway) and would anyone happen to have experience with this model and the Sennheiser ie800`s yet?, hiss shouldn`t be an issue, nor output impedance, but power might be an issue as I hear an definite improvement when running them off my JDS Labs cmoy bb as opposed to straight from my htc M8 an already relatively powerful source. Also, I doubt it, but if anyone has experience with Audio Technica ck100`s pls share, thanks a bunch.

the A 17 amplify what I call the Ck100 experience , its basically the same kind of sound , but now there are two of them, so if you want your CK100 to be colder , with fast bass decays, with the vocal just a wee bit back but still pretty much in your face , you can get this thing. A friend did say it worked okay with its IE800 , as in they have enough power
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 7:04 AM Post #981 of 7,541
  Would this be a worthwhile upgrade from a htc m8?

 
No experience with the IE800 but I've recently moved all my music from my M8 to my A10. Bought it for the same reason you mentioned -- and because I'm throwing in the towel: I've given up on both music and live internet radio from a smartphone, and committed to just pre-recording everything and putting them on a player.
 
Funny cause the M8's battery now lasts forever...did google say something about doubling/tripling battery life for music playback? But I digress.
 
The A10's got better quality to my ears, and is possibly one of the most powerful MP3/network walkmans Sony's ever put out, so I consider it an upgrade. But bear in mind that low-bitrate files might sound better on the M8. I find the A10 pretty revealing of faults at times.
 
I've officially soured on the whole smartphone thing, it's such a circus. Good thing my region gets first dibs on the A10! (end rant)
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 7:38 AM Post #982 of 7,541
I have updated a previous post to include an answer I received from OPPO staff regarding the use of a Walkman with their forthcoming HA-2 DAC/amp.  
 
Note: All of this is subject to change as newer HA-2 prototypes are still being produced during Beta testing.
 

 
 
(Most of the original text of my post is hidden here.)
 
Quote:
 
 
Thanks for these comments about battery life and tailoring the sound!  It's very encouraging.
 
I love Sony!
 
Prior to getting the bug-ridden FiiO X5 a few months ago, with which I purposely avoid UI bugs by using only folder browsing for file navigation, I used a Sony PCM-M10 recorder/player as my DAP for over 3 years, almost daily, via the Line Out from its 96/24-capable, proprietary sigma-delta DAC to either a Meier Stepdance or an iBasso PB2.  
 

 

 
Sony really knows how to build electronics that are efficient in terms of battery consumption. Not only can the Sony PCM-M10 go more than 30 hours on a pair of rechargeable AA batteries, it has a microSD card reader - and that is a big deal for me, as it allows me to carry my entire library of 44/16 and 96/24 WAV files (it only supports WAV and MP3) on eight 64GB cards (they're not full yet) in this nifty carrier:
 
DiMeCard micro8 microSD Memory Card Holder
 

People who use iDevices - all of which lack card readers - really don't know what they're missing.  Whether 16GB, 32GB, or even 128GB - that's all you get!  They seem to be brainwashed into thinking that it's "OK" to constantly delete and upload new music into their iDevices for a day's outing, or deleting apps and photos to make room for more albums.  What a hassle!
 
And Apple has recently discontinued the iPod Classic (including the 160GB model) - allegedly for "lack of parts availability," not for lack of sales!  
 
tongue.gif

 
My Sony PCM-M10 is back in service despite my having the FiiO X5, now that I am Beta testing the OPPO HA-2 DAC/amp, but I'm bypassing its ESS9018M2 DAC, taking the M10's Line Out to the HA-2's very capable amp section, which lasts about 8 hours per charge cycle.  (Note: This is a prototype, so changes may occur in the release version - likely for the better, but it's best to make this known.)
 

 
In my experience, the Sony PCM-M10's UI has been bug-free across over three years of daily use.  Just think about that in comparison to the gear coming from iBasso, HiFiMan, Astell & Kern and FiiO, for example - which can still be troublesome, even if you wait for several firmware upgrades before buying, instead of jumping in as an early adopter (i.e. as a volunteer QA tester.)
 
But get this:  Sony has never released an update for its version 1.0.0 firmware for the PCM-M10, but these other vendors pour firmware updates down our throats continuously, until the updates just stop coming - with bugs still outstanding - on the release of a replacement product. Now, we have to cut them a lot of slack, seriously, for the fact that they are producing product in small numbers, and they give us products with powerful amps and great sound quality that the legion of Joe Consumers out there simply aren't capable of appreciating with their ear buds and cheap headphones.  
 
But the quality control of Sony's UIs is what I love about Sony more than anything else!  They get it right before they release their products to the customers. And from my perspective, OPPO is every bit as dedicated to quality assurance as Sony. Take this with a grain of salt, if you like, given that I've been a Beta tester for OPPO since December of last year, but I'm telling you, OPPO and Sony, independently, are birds of a feather in terms of QA, compared to any of the other portable Head-Fi manufacturers, with the exception of CEntrance and Meier Audio - in my admittedly very limited experience - but thus far, OPPO, CEntrance and Meier Audio have not released any DAPs that require a UI, so my hat's off to Sony for delivering a complex UI that's as friendly as that of a Sandisk Sansa Clip+.
 
Sony's biggest problem, in my opinion, is that they (smartly) go for high-volume sales - they are not a boutique manufacturer - but the problem with this has been that they have to cater to Joe Consumer, but Joe Consumer is ignorant of "high fidelity audio" for lack of a better term. What Joe Consumer wants more than anything else is a small, lightweight form factor, sleek appearance, and a very long battery life.  
 
The easiest way to keep the size and weight down is to use a small battery, and this in turn requires a W-E-A-K amplifier. But remember, Joe Consumer doesn't know any better. Sony's intended market for their DAPs has no knowledge of all the relatively inefficient, great-sounding headphones that need a lot more power than what the Sony PHA-1 and PHA-2 amps can deliver.  At a still moderate 320mW per channel of maximum output - not rms - into 32-Ohms, the Sony PHA-3 DAC/amp is their first viable option, in my opinion, for use with relatively inefficient headphones, but they have to be cabled for the PHA-3's balanced output or you won't even get the 320mW peak output.)  
 
We don't have specs yet for the OPPO HA-2 and it may very well turn out to have less power than the Sony PHA-3, especially given that it's smaller and lighter, but I'm hearing excellent bass control and great dynamics from the prototype I'm testing, when used with the relatively efficient OPPO PM-1 planar magnetic.  (Again, the released version may be perform differently.)  
 
 
In addition to accepting digital input from iOS and Android devices (most of which lack card readers), the OPPO HA-2 accepts USB input for Hi-Res PCM and DSD files from PCs, laptops, Macbooks, etc. - so I'm hoping that the Sony NWZ-A17 can be used with the HA-2 via the WMC-NWH10 cable.
 
I'm waiting for OPPO staff to tell me whether or not the HA-2 expects to receive 5VDC power (in addition to data) when using USB input.  If not, I'll order an A17 to find out if it's compatible with the HA-2.
 

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UPDATE:  OPPO staff says they have tested their HA-2 portable DAC/amp with a Walkman (?) using the WMC-NWH10 cable (pictured above) and found that due to the Walkman supplying only data, without providing 5V power at the cable's USB A connector, the HA-2 cannot detect that it's connected to a USB source.  
 
The HA-2 has a three-position "A/B/C" source selection switch that communicates your choice of sources, as follows:
 
A - Analog Line In from an external DAC (to the Line In TRS jack)
B - iOS digital (using the provided Lightning to Micro USB connector, for example)
C - USB digital from a PC or Mac -or- Android digital (using the Micro USB connector)
 
My conjecture (not from OPPO staff, directly) is that because the "C" selection is used for both Android devices and USB from PC or Mac, the HA-2 distinguishes Android devices by the absence of 5V power seen at its Micro USB port, where a Mac or PC would provide power in addition to USB data.  Thus, a Walkman with WMC-NWH10 cable is incorrectly seen by the HA-2 as an Android device (in the absence of 5V power at its USB A port.)
 
I have imagineered (but have not tested) the following solution for using an OPPO HA-2 with a Sony Walkman + WMC-NWH10 cable:
 
5V power could be supplied to the HA-2's micro USB port along with data from the WMC-NWH10 cable by using....
 
An amazingly inexpensive yet well-reviewed, 5V rechargeable battery pack with perfect dimensions for stacking very nicely with the OPPO HA-2:
 

http://www.amazon.co...m/dp/B00KT26W0Q
 
Note that this 6000 mAh 5V battery pack could also be used to recharge either the Walkman or the HA-2.
 
This (or a different 5V battery pack) could be connected to the WMC-NWH10 cable, with one of these (or its equivalent):
 

http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Power-Sharing-Cable-131046/dp/B0031ESJ2S
 
A USB Mini B female to USB Micro B male adapter (or cable) would be needed to connect to the HA-2:
 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CJ3JEGM
 
That's a bit of Rube Goldberg contraption, but it should allow a Walkman to be used with any USB DAC that requires 5V power, including a Geek Out, a CEntrance DACport LX, an Audioquest Dragonfly, a JDS Labs ODAC, etc.
 
----------------------------------------------------------
Sony is selling the A17 directly via eBay, here in the States:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/311136014454
(Most retailers here are only accepting pre-orders, expecting to ship on 24 November.)
 
Amazon currently has only one seller that can ship the WMC-NWH10 from the States (instead of from overseas): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FF086HE
 
Mike
 

 
Mike
 
12/28/2014 UPDATE:  
OPPO engineer's have successfully tested the current OPPO HA-2 prototype with the Sony NWZ-A17 and WMC-NWH10 cable. They are compatible!
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 8:12 AM Post #984 of 7,541
.... I have some critics on how hard it is to get back to now playing screen from anywhere besides the main menu.

you are always 3clics aways from the "now playing screen"(option-> next/right->play/select). except on home page where it actually takes 4clics. so not too shabby, but that very same interface is really amazing with a touchscreen and a home button. and I say that when I prefer buttons in general.
 
   

I have updated a previous post to include an answer I received from OPPO staff regarding the use of a Walkman with their forthcoming HA-2 DAC/amp.  
 
Note: All of this is subject to change as newer HA-2 prototypes are still being produced during Beta testing.
 

 
 
(Most of the original text of my post is hidden here.)
 
Quote:
 
 
Thanks for these comments about battery life and tailoring the sound!  It's very encouraging.
 
I love Sony!
 
Prior to getting the bug-ridden FiiO X5 a few months ago, with which I purposely avoid UI bugs by using only folder browsing for file navigation, I used a Sony PCM-M10 recorder/player as my DAP for over 3 years, almost daily, via the Line Out from its 96/24-capable, proprietary sigma-delta DAC to either a Meier Stepdance or an iBasso PB2.  
 

 

 
Sony really knows how to build electronics that are efficient in terms of battery consumption. Not only can the Sony PCM-M10 go more than 30 hours on a pair of rechargeable AA batteries, it has a microSD card reader - and that is a big deal for me, as it allows me to carry my entire library of 44/16 and 96/24 WAV files (it only supports WAV and MP3) on eight 64GB cards (they're not full yet) in this nifty carrier:
 
DiMeCard micro8 microSD Memory Card Holder
 

People who use iDevices - all of which lack card readers - really don't know what they're missing.  Whether 16GB, 32GB, or even 128GB - that's all you get!  They seem to be brainwashed into thinking that it's "OK" to constantly delete and upload new music into their iDevices for a day's outing, or deleting apps and photos to make room for more albums.  What a hassle!
 
And Apple has recently discontinued the iPod Classic (including the 160GB model) - allegedly for "lack of parts availability," not for lack of sales!  
 
tongue.gif

 
My Sony PCM-M10 is back in service despite my having the FiiO X5, now that I am Beta testing the OPPO HA-2 DAC/amp, but I'm bypassing its ESS9018M2 DAC, taking the M10's Line Out to the HA-2's very capable amp section, which lasts about 8 hours per charge cycle.  (Note: This is a prototype, so changes may occur in the release version - likely for the better, but it's best to make this known.)
 

 
In my experience, the Sony PCM-M10's UI has been bug-free across over three years of daily use.  Just think about that in comparison to the gear coming from iBasso, HiFiMan, Astell & Kern and FiiO, for example - which can still be troublesome, even if you wait for several firmware upgrades before buying, instead of jumping in as an early adopter (i.e. as a volunteer QA tester.)
 
But get this:  Sony has never released an update for its version 1.0.0 firmware for the PCM-M10, but these other vendors pour firmware updates down our throats continuously, until the updates just stop coming - with bugs still outstanding - on the release of a replacement product. Now, we have to cut them a lot of slack, seriously, for the fact that they are producing product in small numbers, and they give us products with powerful amps and great sound quality that the legion of Joe Consumers out there simply aren't capable of appreciating with their ear buds and cheap headphones.  
 
But the quality control of Sony's UIs is what I love about Sony more than anything else!  They get it right before they release their products to the customers. And from my perspective, OPPO is every bit as dedicated to quality assurance as Sony. Take this with a grain of salt, if you like, given that I've been a Beta tester for OPPO since December of last year, but I'm telling you, OPPO and Sony, independently, are birds of a feather in terms of QA, compared to any of the other portable Head-Fi manufacturers, with the exception of CEntrance and Meier Audio - in my admittedly very limited experience - but thus far, OPPO, CEntrance and Meier Audio have not released any DAPs that require a UI, so my hat's off to Sony for delivering a complex UI that's as friendly as that of a Sandisk Sansa Clip+.
 
Sony's biggest problem, in my opinion, is that they (smartly) go for high-volume sales - they are not a boutique manufacturer - but the problem with this has been that they have to cater to Joe Consumer, but Joe Consumer is ignorant of "high fidelity audio" for lack of a better term. What Joe Consumer wants more than anything else is a small, lightweight form factor, sleek appearance, and a very long battery life.  
 
The easiest way to keep the size and weight down is to use a small battery, and this in turn requires a W-E-A-K amplifier. But remember, Joe Consumer doesn't know any better. Sony's intended market for their DAPs has no knowledge of all the relatively inefficient, great-sounding headphones that need a lot more power than what the Sony PHA-1 and PHA-2 amps can deliver.  At a still moderate 320mW per channel of maximum output - not rms - into 32-Ohms, the Sony PHA-3 DAC/amp is their first viable option, in my opinion, for use with relatively inefficient headphones, but they have to be cabled for the PHA-3's balanced output or you won't even get the 320mW peak output.)  
 
We don't have specs yet for the OPPO HA-2 and it may very well turn out to have less power than the Sony PHA-3, especially given that it's smaller and lighter, but I'm hearing excellent bass control and great dynamics from the prototype I'm testing, when used with the relatively efficient OPPO PM-1 planar magnetic.  (Again, the released version may be perform differently.)  
 
 
In addition to accepting digital input from iOS and Android devices (most of which lack card readers), the OPPO HA-2 accepts USB input for Hi-Res PCM and DSD files from PCs, laptops, Macbooks, etc. - so I'm hoping that the Sony NWZ-A17 can be used with the HA-2 via the WMC-NWH10 cable.
 
I'm waiting for OPPO staff to tell me whether or not the HA-2 expects to receive 5VDC power (in addition to data) when using USB input.  If not, I'll order an A17 to find out if it's compatible with the HA-2.
 

----------------------------------------------------------
 
UPDATE:  OPPO staff says they have tested their HA-2 portable DAC/amp with a Walkman (?) using the WMC-NWH10 cable (pictured above) and found that due to the Walkman supplying only data, without providing 5V power at the cable's USB A connector, the HA-2 cannot detect that it's connected to a USB source.  
 
The HA-2 has a three-position "A/B/C" source selection switch that communicates your choice of sources, as follows:
 
A - Analog Line In from an external DAC (to the Line In TRS jack)
B - iOS digital (using the provided Lightning to Micro USB connector, for example)
C - USB digital from a PC or Mac -or- Android digital (using the Micro USB connector)
 
My conjecture (not from OPPO staff, directly) is that because the "C" selection is used for both Android devices and USB from PC or Mac, the HA-2 distinguishes Android devices by the absence of 5V power seen at its Micro USB port, where a Mac or PC would provide power in addition to USB data.  Thus, a Walkman with WMC-NWH10 cable is incorrectly seen by the HA-2 as an Android device (in the absence of 5V power at its USB A port.)
 
I have imagineered (but have not tested) the following solution for using an OPPO HA-2 with a Sony Walkman + WMC-NWH10 cable:
 
5V power could be supplied to the HA-2's micro USB port along with data from the WMC-NWH10 cable by using....
 
An amazingly inexpensive yet well-reviewed, 5V rechargeable battery pack with perfect dimensions for stacking very nicely with the OPPO HA-2:
 

http://www.amazon.co...m/dp/B00KT26W0Q
 
Note that this 6000 mAh 5V battery pack could also be used to recharge either the Walkman or the HA-2.
 
This (or a different 5V battery pack) could be connected to the WMC-NWH10 cable, with one of these (or its equivalent):
 

http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Power-Sharing-Cable-131046/dp/B0031ESJ2S
 
A USB Mini B female to USB Micro B male adapter (or cable) would be needed to connect to the HA-2:
 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CJ3JEGM
 
That's a bit of Rube Goldberg contraption, but it should allow a Walkman to be used with any USB DAC that requires 5V power, including a Geek Out, a CEntrance DACport LX, an Audioquest Dragonfly, a JDS Labs ODAC, etc.
 
----------------------------------------------------------
Sony is selling the A17 directly via eBay, here in the States:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/311136014454
(Most retailers here are only accepting pre-orders, expecting to ship on 24 November.)
 
Amazon currently has only one seller that can ship the WMC-NWH10 from the States (instead of from overseas): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FF086HE
 
Mike
 

 
Mike
 

it could very well work that way. the 5V is often the reason why a source doesn't work on a DAC. be it because it's not provided(some phones will simply cut the connection as soon as too much power is drawn from a usb plug) or simply because the source doesn't have enough juice for the DAC. so as long as the DAC doesn't need drivers to work, I would suspect your solution to be the right one.
but yet another brick to the pack :'(
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 8:30 AM Post #985 of 7,541
I still think the older UI was best. Right click brought up a drop down menu on the top right with 'Now playing' in total 2 clicks away.
And pressing down during a song let you select the artists name, album, year... for direct search of that entry.

When you press down on this it does this dumb album scroll thing, only thing I hate with a passion about this player. Yucks.
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM Post #986 of 7,541
 
guess whats written on shipping in ur official ebay sony link??
 
Does not ship to India
mad.gif

 
Bummer!
 
India is such a huge, untapped, first-world market!
 
I work with several "offshore" counterparts there who, like you, have a really hard time purchasing all kinds of esoteric products that are made readily available to U.S. consumers - stuff that isn't even manufactured in the U.S.  
 
Hello!  There are several manufacturers who have almost no distribution in India - they are seemingly unaware that legions of Indians are eager to spend their money on high-tech gear.
 
confused_face.gif

 
It reminds me of a 60 Minutes episode, years ago, where phone support reps at a large call center in Bangalore were told, "Some Americans wonder how it is that U.S. companies think they can continue to sell their products if they outsource all the jobs to India."  An Indian worker, with a big smile on his face, proclaimed: "We are buying the microwaves and the televisions!  You name it!  We're buying it!"
 
LOL
 
Wake up and smell the cumin!
 
biggrin.gif

 
Mike
 
Nov 2, 2014 at 9:28 AM Post #987 of 7,541
   
Bummer!
 
India is such a huge, untapped, first-world market!
 
I work with several "offshore" counterparts there who, like you, have a really hard time purchasing all kinds of esoteric products that are made readily available to U.S. consumers - stuff that isn't even manufactured in the U.S.  
 
Hello!  There are several manufacturers who have almost no distribution in India - they are seemingly unaware that legions of Indians are eager to spend their money on high-tech gear.
 
confused_face.gif

 
It reminds me of a 60 Minutes episode, years ago, where phone support reps at a large call center in Bangalore were told, "Some Americans wonder how it is that U.S. companies think they can continue to sell their products if they outsource all the jobs to India."  An Indian worker, with a big smile on his face, proclaimed: "We are buying the microwaves and the televisions!  You name it!  We're buying it!"
 
LOL
 
Wake up and smell the cumin!
 
biggrin.gif

 
Mike

 
But still a third world country..........
confused_face.gif

 
Nov 2, 2014 at 10:01 AM Post #989 of 7,541
  I think he was joking. A lot of people in India live on $2 US a day, right?

 
Sadar17 can certainly provide a more credible assessment, but from my limited understanding, India, like China, is increasingly trending toward a dichotomy of "haves and have nots" where, just a few decades ago, there were relative few "haves" among the "have nots."  
 
 
But still a third world country..........
confused_face.gif

 

 
I read your comment to mean that India is still treated like a third world country (in addition to still having many impoverished people).
 
In any case, I wish you the best in getting your hands on a Sony A17.
 
Mike
 

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