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Sony's new flagship 2014 - MDR-Z7
Feb 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM Post #4,442 of 9,173
My First Sony Z7, ordered straight from Sony, did not come shrink wrapped either. It looked immaculate though. The second I bought had been removed from the box, that was pretty clear. The cables were still nicely wrapped, they looked unused. Not sure what happened there. But I paid €230 less than before, so I'm NOT complaining. :)
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 11:27 AM Post #4,445 of 9,173
Since I own both, I will chime in here :).

I actually have a hard time picking which one I like more. But if I had no choice I would take the Z5 over the Z7. It just offers a more detailed sound and has more 3D like qualities while retaining just enough of the large sound to not feel like it is just an IEM.

But if large feel is more important to you then the Z7 is a better choice as it's size really does give it a larger field of sound.
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 8:53 PM Post #4,446 of 9,173
prophet293 said:
I'm sorry but I'm having hard time believing that the cable makes any difference, AFAIK cables are the biggest scam/placebo in the audiophool business.

It's simple science of "bottleneck". Even if you make a cable out of silver/gold/platinum/diamond or whatever magical material you wish to call it, what difference is it going to make if the wires and the circuit board in the amp/DAC/headphone are made of simple copper? Same goes for those audiophile power cables, what difference do they make when the copper wires behind the wall socket is 30+ years old and is probably corroded too?

Please people, stop fooling yourselves, you think you "hear" the difference with the kimber cable because you're looking for a reason to justify your purchase.
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Here is the deal. If you have sensitive high quality analytical gear like amps and DACS quality cables make a difference. Lower surface noise, microphonic reduction and tribo electric noise are gone. Quality cables help you achieve that crystal clear pitch black background. They don't alter anything else like bass or treble. That's nonsense, but as far as achieving the cleanest signal transmission to accurately represent what your sound equipment can rightfully do, quality cables are a must. I have experienced this first hand. No B.S.
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:02 PM Post #4,447 of 9,173
You are kinda wrong, cables aren't going to clean up background hiss and they do have DIFFERENT sound signatures. Different, not like 50% "better" just different, a solid core silver cable is MOST LIKELY to be more bright and upfront, while a stranded multi conductor OFC cable will USUALLY. Sound more mellow and inviting. Cables will not clear up AC line hash.

PS. Solid core cables can be multi stranded too of course
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:21 PM Post #4,448 of 9,173
jmsaxon69 said:
You are kinda wrong, cables aren't going to clean up background hiss and they do have DIFFERENT sound signatures. Different, not like 50% "better" just different, a solid core silver cable is MOST LIKELY to be more bright and upfront, while a stranded multi conductor OFC cable will USUALLY. Sound more mellow and inviting. Cables will not clear up AC line hash.

PS. Solid core cables can be multi stranded too of course
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When you have a pair of HD 800's you will hear these differences because they are far more sensitive and analytical than say the Sony Z7's. I have both and tested them both with my at home gear. I've learned that there are no shortcuts to building a quality audio empire. I put off interconnects for a while. It was the last change(s) I made. My 800's are demanding as hell cause they are very detailed. Far more than that of the MDR z-7, and that's mainly my point. If your CANS are analytic as hell you hear so many improvements once great cables are put into your sound chain. Therefore, not trying to start anything but i am kinda right. Lol
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:24 PM Post #4,449 of 9,173
nephilim32 said:
When you have a pair of HD 800's you will hear these differences because they are far more sensitive and analytical than say the Sony Z7's. I have both and tested them both with my at home gear. I've learned that there are no shortcuts to building a quality audio empire. I put off interconnects for a while. It was the last change(s) I made. My 800's are demanding as hell cause they are very detailed. Far more than that of the MDR z-7, and that's mainly my point. If your CANS are analytic as hell you hear so many improvements once great cables are put into your sound chain. Therefore, not trying to start anything but i am kinda right. Lol
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You didn't tell me where I was wrong, I told you cables make a difference, but not to "back ground hiss"

Not sure what you are talking about now...

Unless it's a piece of crap throw away cable with bad shielding vs a good cable
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:24 PM Post #4,450 of 9,173
Guys,
 
Got the 4' soft sleeved Surf Cable today in the mail for my Z7.   I had envisioned a very flexy portable cable for use on my armband rig for running or working out and this is just a bit too stiff for that purpose. 
 
So it's up for sale on the for sale board if you're interested.  You'd be getting as close to brand new as possible (hooked it up for literally a minute) and their quality is really quite good.  $55 gets it delivered to your door.    I'll keep using my D600 short cable for now. 
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:29 PM Post #4,451 of 9,173
oregonian said:
Guys,

Got the 4' soft sleeved Surf Cable today in the mail for my Z7.   I had envisioned a very flexy portable cable for use on my armband rig for running or working out and this is just a bit too stiff for that purpose. 

So it's up for sale on the for sale board if you're interested.  You'd be getting as close to brand new as possible (hooked it up for literally a minute) and their quality is really quite good.  $55 gets it delivered to your door.    I'll keep using my D600 short cable for now. 
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What is the termination? 3.5 mm?
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM Post #4,452 of 9,173
Feb 24, 2015 at 9:51 PM Post #4,453 of 9,173
jmsaxon69 said:
You didn't tell me where I was wrong, I told you cables make a difference, but not to "back ground hiss"

Not sure what you are talking about now...

Unless it's a piece of crap throw away cable with bad shielding vs a good cable
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Honestly the HD 800's stock cable is pretty wretched for those headphones. The conductors are small and cheap and it causes grain and hiss with a ton of recordings. A metallic haze if you will was a constant. The cable upgrade I got fixed this problem. I was thrilled cause I couldn't figure out how to get rid of that problem. Upgrading the cables for the Z 7's is less impactful no matter what quality of amps and DAC's you pair them with because they are not "the beasts of detail" that are super demanding like that of the 800's. they need quality interconnects. I found out the hard way. Lol. Anyway. Yes. I am right on this. Cables tame surface noise and harsh grain, therefore adding the cleanest background but again you gotta have the top dog headphones to notice this. MDR's are not in this level. Those stock Malaysia made cables for the Z7's are enough. No upgrade necessary unless you have some super incredible portable amp DAC like an Eddie current or something. **** those are expensive!!
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 10:02 PM Post #4,454 of 9,173
nephilim32 said:
Honestly the HD 800's stock cable is pretty wretched for those headphones. The conductors are small and cheap and it causes grain and hiss with a ton of recordings. A metallic haze if you will was a constant. The cable upgrade I got fixed this problem. I was thrilled cause I couldn't figure out how to get rid of that problem. Upgrading the cables for the Z 7's is less impactful no matter what quality of amps and DAC's you pair them with because they are not "the beasts of detail" that are super demanding like that of the 800's. they need quality interconnects. I found out the hard way. Lol. Anyway. Yes. I am right on this. Cables tame surface noise and harsh grain, therefore adding the cleanest background but again you gotta have the top dog headphones to notice this. MDR's are not in this level. Those stock Malaysia made cables for the Z7's are enough. No upgrade necessary unless you have some super incredible portable amp DAC like an Eddie current or something. **** those are expensive!!
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I was talking about cables in general, interconnect cables.  Didn't know you meant headphone cables.  Also don't think that just because i only have $700 headphones right now that I haven't had other cans in the past and not to mention what my home system might be comprised of....Or that I've been in the audio business for almost 30 years.
 
Feb 24, 2015 at 10:16 PM Post #4,455 of 9,173
nephilim32 said:
Honestly the HD 800's stock cable is pretty wretched for those headphones. The conductors are small and cheap and it causes grain and hiss with a ton of recordings. A metallic haze if you will was a constant. The cable upgrade I got fixed this problem. I was thrilled cause I couldn't figure out how to get rid of that problem. Upgrading the cables for the Z 7's is less impactful no matter what quality of amps and DAC's you pair them with because they are not "the beasts of detail" that are super demanding like that of the 800's. they need quality interconnects. I found out the hard way. Lol. Anyway. Yes. I am right on this. Cables tame surface noise and harsh grain, therefore adding the cleanest background but again you gotta have the top dog headphones to notice this. MDR's are not in this level. Those stock Malaysia made cables for the Z7's are enough. No upgrade necessary unless you have some super incredible portable amp DAC like an Eddie current or something. **** those are expensive!!
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I can easily hear improvements between the stock and solid silver cable that i made for my Z7 out of my the Sony pha-3.  funny when u said how bad is the hd800 cable, i personally think the Z7 has even a thinner gauge wire.  I agree with u though that u may hear more improvement on the hd800, but the z7 is good enough that you can appreciate the difference.  the better the source and amp will allow you to hear the improvement better.  Three of my audio friends also able to differentiate between my upgrade and stock cable.
 
i agree with jmsax69 that shielding will minimize hiss and hum from cable.
 
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