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Sony's new flagship 2014 - MDR-Z7
Oct 24, 2014 at 2:56 AM Post #2,401 of 9,173
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If this FR graph is accurate, I'm really disappointed in the +6dB shelf from 40-200Hz and the -6dB roll-off from 40-20Hz.
 
The Z7 has a 70mm driver!!!  This thing should be dead flat to at least 20Hz.
 
I'll wait for Tyll's measurements before I jump to any conclusions, but so far, it's not looking too good .....  
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Oct 24, 2014 at 3:06 AM Post #2,402 of 9,173
xero1 said:
 
The Z7 has a 70mm driver!!!  This thing should be dead flat to at least 20Hz.
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Driver size has nothing to do with extension extremes. Responsiveness is what gives a headphone good extension, which means tight tolerances between the magnet and voice coil to maximize the intensity of the magnetic field and (typically) a diaphragm that is light and easy to move. The Z7 does not have the latter; metal coatings are heavy and the huge surface of the diaphragm means more metal, and more weight.
 
This also isn't factoring in the distortion figures, etc. The bass probably does dig deeper than the FR shows, but it gets thicker and less refined as you go down.
 
But yeah, wait for Tyll's; I'd trust him over whoever did those plots any day.
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 3:35 AM Post #2,403 of 9,173
xero1 said:
 
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If this FR graph is accurate, I'm really disappointed in the 40-200Hz shelf and the 6dB roll-off from 40Hz to 20Hz.
 
The Z7 has a 70mm driver!!!  This thing should be dead flat to at least 20Hz.
 
I'll wait for Tyll's measurements before I jump to any conclusions, but so far, it's not looking too good .....  
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The new normal is such a bass boost, but transitioning at 150hz instead of 200hz.  If you really are disappointed, you may be disappointed in the future of unequalized headphones.
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 6:02 AM Post #2,404 of 9,173
takato14 said:
  that is FAR better than I expected actually
 
get rid of that minor hump/bloat after the leading edge and it's quite good
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I'm not sure what you expected, but I expected something better.

For comparison:

Beyer T70P @ 30 Hz


Nad Viso HP50 @ 30 Hz

 
 
Both are clearly better and their bass (I own both) leave a lot to be desired.
 
I don't just want quantity, I want quality too. Z7 will not provide that in the bass region. Clearly mid-bass dominance, some phase issues and ringing. Not good.
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 8:14 AM Post #2,407 of 9,173
drgajet said:
I don't know about you all but I listen to the headphone not the graph.
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Yeah, but are you listening to the headphone in the correct way?  
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Oct 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM Post #2,408 of 9,173
When you've been in this for decade or two, you'll tend to learn correlations.
 
A well measuring phone may sound good.
 
A poorly measuring very rarely does.
 
But yes, the proof is in the the eating  of pudding...
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM Post #2,409 of 9,173
Well, so it turns out PriceJapan confused me for someone else and mistakenly informed me that my order had been shipped, whereas I'm still somewhere down the list.

So I canceled my order for good this time.

Tis' a pity, but in a way, I already have my doubts about the Z7's frequency response around the 8-9KHz region, and plus I get the feeling it won't be able to stand up to my HE-560.
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM Post #2,410 of 9,173
bill-p said:
Well, so it turns out PriceJapan confused me for someone else and mistakenly informed me that my order had been shipped, whereas I'm still somewhere down the list.

So I canceled my order for good this time.

Tis' a pity, but in a way, I already have my doubts about the Z7's frequency response around the 8-9KHz region, and plus I get the feeling it won't be able to stand up to my HE-560.
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Me too but I will search hard elswhere for a good deal and prob buy in a couple of weeks
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 10:38 AM Post #2,411 of 9,173
Ah well, good luck!

I wanted to give it a whirl, but the initial rush is just too much, and it seems like there is a huge price discrepancy between the US market and the Japan market, so I'd say... wait until prices stabilize?

Meanwhile, I guess now I have more funds to pour elsewhere!
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 12:02 PM Post #2,412 of 9,173
I find it hilarious that the japanese love this headphone.
 
評価項目​
投票平均​
カテゴリ
平均​
項目別
ランキング​
評価基準​
デザイン5.00
4.15​
4位​
見た目のよさ、質感
高音の音質4.43
4.13​
高音部の音質の良さ
低音の音質4.86
4.16​
9位​
低音部の音質の良さ
フィット感4.86
4.07​
7位​
装着したときのフィット感など
外音遮断性3.86
3.79​
外の音を遮断するか
音漏れ防止3.29
3.73​
音漏れを防止するか
携帯性2.67
3.71​
 コンパクトさ
  
 
Granted it's only 5 people who rated, but the highs are good for them, and their bass is their favorite part about it.
 
Yet we have polarizing opinions here...
 
Ah, Japan.
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM Post #2,414 of 9,173
mickice said:
  Most people here are going off an idea of what they will hear. Some are getting in quite a tizzy over it. 
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That is a good point. Even currawong likes it, despite that the sony bass does bleed a bit into the mids from his review.
 
Time will tell though. 
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Oct 24, 2014 at 12:09 PM Post #2,415 of 9,173
drgajet said:
I don't know about you all but I listen to the headphone not the graph.

Jim
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halcyon said:
  When you've been in this for decade or two, you'll tend to learn correlations.
 
A well measuring phone may sound good.
 
A poorly measuring very rarely does.
 
But yes, the proof is in the the eating  of pudding...
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Indeed, I'm with Halycon 100%, generally when I'm looking for headphones, I like to find something that measure simmilary to what I have and I've got a few cans. Graphs are still relevant as they kinda kill hype and help you wrap your mind around more realistic expectations 
 
 
An ironically a good number of my headphones in the past have had peaks around 8-9khz, old DT 880 had a peak there, and my HE 4 kinda has a peak there, so that said 
bill-p said:
Ah well, good luck!

I wanted to give it a whirl, but the initial rush is just too much, and it seems like there is a huge price discrepancy between the US market and the Japan market, so I'd say... wait until prices stabilize?

Meanwhile, I guess now I have more funds to pour elsewhere!
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Bill you know the W1000Z is calling you! MOD THAT SUCKER xD 
 
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