AudioValve LUMINARE & VERTO : for Stax headphones and for all dynamic headphones
Sep 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM Post #106 of 352
I never fully understood the brightness issue. My theory is it is in the source, that then gets 'revealed' in the best headphone in the world (the 009s). It is like having amazing Wilson Alexandria speakers attached to a mid range digital source IMO.


Well, I believe I listened to these very speakers in a very large auditorium yesterday. They were fed by msb diamond stack, i forgot the amplification but brand was d'agostino I am pretty sure. Essentially, it was pretty difficult to stand, even from way back in the hall, apart from very mild music. A bit a of let down compared to last year's show where smaller rigs (with msb analog dac) sounded much sweeter. I don't think I've ever been much of a fan of their house sound and 50k+usd of digital front end does not alleviate it...

Btw, out of topic but msb is releasing this 8 channel ladder dac converter for wealthy home theatre enthusiasts. The prototype at the show looked awesome but the 120kUSD price tag also :): http://www.msbtech.com/products/master.php?Page=platinumHome . The general manager (larry gullman) was at the show and very easy / fun to talk to. He seems quite obsessed with the design of his products. The flagship 8 ch. balanced dac foregoes usage of fancy display to minimize noise to the rest of the circuit, using leds instead that are refreshed at the internal clock rate. Anectodical but an example of how far they think about the problem!

Arnaud
 
Sep 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM Post #107 of 352
After moving through the headphone world, it naturally led me back into the speaker world but with a much better sense of what I wanted.
I've heard the Wilson Alexandria Series 2, Wilson XLF with top of the line VTL electronics, Dan A'gostino and Jadis electonics.  Couldn't be more varied in presentation.
I have NEVER EVER liked the sound of the top of the line Wilson Speakers in properly setup listening rooms with the best cabling and even better electronics.  NEVER.
 
Being actively involved in the Los Angeles and Orange County Audio Society and now being a Vice President in it, there is a meeting at a high end dealer every single month followed by the SHOW at Newport Beach.  http://www.laocas.com/
 
I am pretty much constantly exposed in one way or another to extreme high end audio (dealers, members systems, CES, shows etc.).
 
Electrostatic headphones, yes, I get those.  They are stunning when done right and suck when not, just like everything else in Audio.  However, Wilson stop being good speakers after the Alexias.  They seem to progressively get worse through the Maxx series up to the XLF's.  
 
Had to put it out there! :)
 
To get a sense of where I am coming from, here are some systems at just ONE dealer where we had our last meet, the Source AV, last month:
 
Full MBL Reference System:

 
Full McIntosh Reference System...those speakers are the new Mcintosh XRT2K

 
Sonus Faber Aida's next to the Sonus Faber Stradivari Homage. You don't see the SF Amati Futura also here.

 
Top of the Line Boulder Electronics and Esoteric Audio powering Focal Grande Utopia 'EM'

 
This was at just ONE dealer here in Souther California.  We have 12 dealers like this we meet at every month followed by the Newport Show which just seems now second to the Munich show.
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM Post #108 of 352
Probably covered somewhere, but  . . .
 
Does the AudioValve accept speaker level inputs like the Woo Wee?  Or is there some special connection with the RKV ii  ?  Is the AudioValve available in 120v?
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM Post #109 of 352
  Probably covered somewhere, but  . . .
 
Does the AudioValve accept speaker level inputs like the Woo Wee?  Or is there some special connection with the RKV ii  ?  Is the AudioValve available in 120v?

 
No AC outlet (standalone box with self Biasing).
 
Best transformers (Pikatron) with Verto Box than the Wee box (but smaller ratio of voltage transformers : ratio 1:15 (terminal input "reverse" SPK) and 1: 5.9 (input jack) with the Verto box (against 1:50 with the Wee box).
 
Need (with the Verto Box) an (good) amplifier for loudspeaker at least 2 x 30 Watt (SPK in reverse mode) to get sufficient gain.



 
link: : http://www.audiovalve.info/to/verto.php
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM Post #110 of 352
OK, a couple of questions.
(1) What is so special as to the AudioValve RKV-II (or lll), amps? I ask in that the "Wee" can apparently be used with 'any' power amp. 
(2) In what way is the 'AudioValve Box adapter VERTO' different or superior to the "Wee" when used for Stax headphones?
 
Many thanks,
John H
 
Oct 18, 2014 at 2:40 AM Post #111 of 352
  OK, a couple of questions.
(1) What is so special as to the AudioValve RKV-II (or lll), amps? I ask in that the "Wee" can apparently be used with 'any' power amp. 
(2) In what way is the 'AudioValve Box adapter VERTO' different or superior to the "Wee" when used for Stax headphones?
 
Many thanks,
John H

 
Hello John H. 
 
Interesting questions: 
 
Why RKV amplifiers (II and III in OTL mode) are ideal for use with transformer box as WEE or AudioValve VERTO for use with Stax electrostatic headphones? 
 
Because they have no output transformers "Step down" in OTL mode (NB: it is better to avoid the interference of a succession of two transformers: a transformer "Step Down" (voltage reducer) (that of an tubes amplifier "no OTL"for example) followed by a transformer "Step Up" (voltage booster) (that of the WEE box or VERTO box). 
 
Because they are very good (in OTL mode) for operating in voltage (rather than amperage) for high impedance headphones (100-2000 Ohms). 
 
Because they have a very low output resistance (high damping factor). 
 
Because they can get up to 80 to 100 Volts RMS output to a load of 2,000 Ohms (and more again) (NB: the impedance of headphones Stax is very high : 145000 Ohm for a 009 for example)
 
Because he can operate with a box of transformatreur ratio "step up" weak: only 1: 5.9 for the Jack VERTO input (against 1:50 for the input speaker teminal of the WEE and 1:14 for input speaker terminal "reverse" of  the VERTO) which allows to obtain a less distortion of the audio signal between the input and the output of the transformer). 
 
The reverse of the medal of the use of smaller transformers voltage amplification ratio is the need to use an amplifier in input (if possible in OTL mode, without output transformer to avoid sucession (deleterious to the sound quality) of a "step down" followed by a "step up") giving enough volts in output of the amplifier in a high impedance (200-2000 Ohms), at least 30 to 40 volts RMS output, for the input of Jack VERTO and at least 10 to 15 Volts RMS output, for the input speaker terminal  "reverse" of the VERTO (either a Hi-Fi amplifier giving at least 10-30 Watt at 8 Ohm (according to the formula: P = U² / R) (P (Watt), U (Volt) and R (Ohm)). 
(NB: WEE, with its transformers "no name" of ratio :1:50 is satisfied with a Hi-Fi amplifier outgoing only 3 Watt at 8 Ohm, either 5 Volts RMS for the input speaker terminal of the WEE). 
Another factor to consider: the quality of transformers VERTO (custom-made by Pikatron (a German brand of transformers)) inherently is better than the WEE transformers "no name" ; not to mention that the leverage ratio of Voltage, lower, of the VERTOTransformers, provides less distortion of the audio signal (ie less distortion and better response of frequency). 
 
Because they were (RKV-II Amp and VERTO box) tested in direct comparison with the WEE box (+ RKV-II amp) and with the amplifiers Stax SRM 727 and SRM 007t2 (with the Stax SR-009 headphones and also Stax SR-507) and that the best result was obtained listening the combo RKV-II + VERTO (input jack) + SR-009. (link (in french) : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/casques-haute-fidelite/verto-le-boitier-audiovalve-pour-casques-stax-t30052030-105.html)
 
(NB: for memory, the combo RKV-WEE showed in a comparative amp realised in September 2013 (in blind procedure) in overall viewing, a sound quality similar as the SRM-727 amp and the Electra amp, and greater than that of SRM-007t2 amp) (reference : http://www.head-fi.org/t/681814/amplifiers-shootout-for-stax-009-eddie-current-electra-audiovalve-rkv-wooaudio-wee-stax-srm727-srm007t2 )).
 
This conclusion focuses on the headphones Stax SR-009 (and probably also the Stax SR-507) due to a remarkable overall synergy. 
(listening both very transparent, detailed, natural, non boring and very faithful to the reproduction of timbres (tone) of instruments and voice). 

Also, with the RKV amp (+ VERTO) no sound "typical tubes" (hot and colorful); on the contrary, sound extremely neutral, faithful and especially enjoyable to listen to with this combo.
 
Eric
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 5:14 AM Post #112 of 352
Arnaud and Ali Pacha, instead of losing (many month and years) in an command (order) of an artisanal electrostatic amp, it may exist a simple (integrated) solution that could (much) overshadow the amps Stax high-end now in production: his code name is "Luminare".
 
Link : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post178291143.html#p178291143
 
Eric
 
Oct 24, 2014 at 5:37 AM Post #113 of 352
  Arnaud and Ali Pacha, instead of losing (many month and years) in an command (order) of an artisanal electrostatic amp, it may exist a simple (integrated) solution that could (much) overshadow the amps Stax high-end now in production: his code name is "Luminare".
 
Link : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post178291143.html#p178291143
 
Eric


I see that you are just as subtle as before with your proclaiming this vaporware amp is the new king of the stats :wink:
 
I'll let you know if I'm interested once I have received my BHSE. It could be a matter of a couple of weeks now! 
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Oct 24, 2014 at 8:32 AM Post #114 of 352
 
I see that you are just as subtle as before with your proclaiming this vaporware amp is the new king of the stats :wink:
 
I'll let you know if I'm interested once I have received my BHSE. It could be a matter of a couple of weeks now! 
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In return (visit family) in France (or Germany), after you have sold your BHSE (because not perfectly adequate for your 009), interested yourself to "Luminare" (New) 
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Maybe a good surprise? 
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http://www.attsaar.de/Rechts/KHV-Audiovalve.html
 
Oct 30, 2014 at 5:03 AM Post #116 of 352
Hello,
 
Here, a read for those interested (technical discussion about the latest productions AudioValve: "Verto" box and new integrated amplifier AudioValve "Luminare"). 
 
A new class of amplifiers (fully-fledged ) for electrostatic headphones (and electrodynamic)? (in French): link: http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post178299059.html#p178299059
 
Oct 30, 2014 at 10:46 AM Post #117 of 352
Or, you could go for the DIY version here......
 
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-build-a-Tesla-Coil/
 
Oct 30, 2014 at 6:59 PM Post #119 of 352
This continuing from eric65 regarding "RKV-II Amp and VERTO box" appears to be getting quite ridiculous.
Do others believe that the 'system' is being abused & this is virtual 'advertising' & has aspects off 'spamming' & 'trolling'?
 
John H
 
Oct 30, 2014 at 7:43 PM Post #120 of 352
  This continuing from eric65 regarding "RKV-II Amp and VERTO box" appears to be getting quite ridiculous.
Do others believe that the 'system' is being abused & this is virtual 'advertising' & has aspects off 'spamming' & 'trolling'?
 
John H

 
M. John,
 
If some thing bothers you in my way on this thread, I invite you to talk privately (PM) or in public, but on a forum that already has 296 interventions, 20 pages and 12,800 consultations, without a complaint (or one troll) until now :http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/casques-haute-fidelite/verto-le-boitier-audiovalve-pour-casques-stax-t30052030.html
 

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