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Dec 26, 2015 at 12:26 PM Post #7,533 of 18,020
can i please ask the following as there is no way for me to dig into all these pages to find my answer
 
1- how does poweramp and neutron compare to stock music player
2- can poweramp and neutron use the hifi dac/amp
3- does the fiiox7 sound better than sony zx2 or cowon p1
4- is the eq working well without problems
5- does anyone have the onkyo dp x1 and can compare both
6- is the sound signature musical and forgiving or analytical and makes bad recording sound bad 
 
Dec 26, 2015 at 12:53 PM Post #7,535 of 18,020
can i please ask the following as there is no way for me to dig into all these pages to find my answer

1- how does poweramp and neutron compare to stock music player
2- can poweramp and neutron use the hifi dac/amp
3- does the fiiox7 sound better than sony zx2 or cowon p1
4- is the eq working well without problems
5- does anyone have the onkyo dp x1 and can compare both
6- is the sound signature musical and forgiving or analytical and makes bad recording sound bad 

Check my review for question 1 and 2

http://www.head-fi.org/products/fiio-x7/reviews/14865
 
Dec 26, 2015 at 1:52 PM Post #7,537 of 18,020
Hey TheoS53,

TheoS53 raises some valid points about the X7. I believe I have solutions for most of his concerns... but they are unofficial at this point :o

Firstly, regarding the volume discrepancy between FiiO Music and other apps. There is a built-in 6dB attenuation in the volume of Android apps other than FiiO Music. The reasoning for this is that the X7 allows multiple apps to make sound simultaneously, so it should attenuate apps' volume levels to prevent clipping. I believe this isn't really a well-thought-out reason for such an adjustment, but we can work around this, as detailed below.

Secondly, regarding the different frequency response of different apps, this obviously depends on the apps' different digital processing of the source signal. The X7 (when not working in SRC-free state via FiiO Music) is a 44.1kHz native sample rate device, not 48kHz. So you're looking at the effects of different resampling filters used by different apps on the final output in your tests with 48kHz source signals.

Finally, the battery issue is, well, I believe 8-9 hours is all we've ever seen out of the X7 so far, but here's where the unofficial experimentation starts...

I have done the following mods on my personal X7 since the V1.5 firmware update<-click me :

1. Rooted
2. Installed Xposed framework and Greenify
3. Installed Viper4Android

Please note that while I have performed all of the below with no issues on my X7, the management currently accepts no responsibility for any bad things that happen to your device because of root-related experimentation. Update: I'm currently finding that with my rooted unit, while everything else works fine, adjustment of a Bluetooth device's volume from the X7 is nonfunctional. The volume would remain the same from about 60-120 and be completely silent below about 60. Does anybody with a stock X7 have the same issue?

Please check to make sure that Google Play is performing correctly with the latest update before attempting the below. If Google Play returns errors while attempting to install or purchase apps (important to test both. If you have purchased apps before with your registered account yet Play is asking you to buy it again, it is not working properly.), please clear cache and factory reset your X7 in recovery as detailed in the link above. If situation persists, just wipe and reset again until everything works. (yes I know usually one reset should clear everything but something apparently may require more than one reset on the X7. Please back up your data )


1. Root

http://www.kingroot.net/
Simply go online with your X7 via WiFi, go to the above website and download its on-device rooting tool. Then install and run it. Decline google's invitations to check apps for untoward behavior. The X7 will acquire root via the app without requiring so much as a reboot. Even so, I recommend rebooting.

2. Install Xposed framework and Greenify

Greenify allows you to hibernate most background processes with the push of a button, extending battery life.

Simply go to Google Play and install Greenify. It will ask for root access on first startup. Grant it access, and it will take you to a settings screen. If you tick one of the options requiring the Xposed framework, it will take you to the download link for Xposed. I recommend downloading the latest stable version (2.6.1) rather than the 2.7 beta shown at the top. After installing Xposed and restarting, enable the Greenify Xposed module in the Xposed installer and reboot again, to access more features in Greenify. If you really want to go Chuck Norris on even system processes (including such useful features as the Android dialer (facepalm) ), you may want to purchase the Greenify donation package as well.

Having purchased Greenify, I have Greenified most things on the X7 without issue but exercise common sense and caution. If you click Show All in Greenify's App Analyzer, some of the stuff are the guts of Android.

I haven't yet tested whether such tinkering can extend the battery life of the X7 beyond what is currently achievable with the Pure Music mode. But at the very least, we will get a music player on which you can install practically any number of streaming music apps (and more besides) and not worry much if at all about associated device slowdown or battery drain, even in Android mode. Note you can Greenify even music apps and this will not affect their ability to play music while the screen is off.

3. Installed Viper4Android (V4A)
Download and install the following app
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mq1nft0mk46o2es/ViPER4Android_v2.3.3.0_-_elesbb_Profiles_Widget.apk?dl=0

On first launch, it will ask to install drivers. Select Super Audio Quality (duh), and grant it root permissions while prompted to do so. Reboot the X7 afterwards as prompted.

On next reboot, launch V4A and click its menu button at the upper right. Set UI Setting to Expert. Now, swipe right to reveal the Headset tab and Enable V4A's Master Power. Then scroll down to the bottom and set Master Gate's Output Gain to 6dB.

This will undo the current firmware's 6dB drop in volume for all apps that access the Android default sound system.

There are a billion other things you can do with Viper4Android for the sound of your music. This repository of optimization profiles for different headphones will give you some starting ideas :D
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2372750

(Although, that list was compiled way before the inception of the X7, when the only things that ran V4A were mobile phones. I see I have to turn my sights up towards some more audiophile headphones for profiling :D )
Please note that the version of V4A I linked to does not support .vdc profiles. .irs profiles only. I did very little exclusive work on vdc profiles, so I believe there is little loss. On the other hand, the V4A version supporting vdc has a bug where loading profiles does not take effect immediately, easily leading to confusion. If you're okay with that, please note you should uninstall each existing version of V4A before attempting to replace it with a new version.

Note that for V4A to take effect, the Android music app in question should not be doing any funny business attempting to bypass the Android sound system. For example, if you're using Poweramp, you need to go to Settings->Audio->Advanced Tweaks and uncheck all checkboxes, especially "Direct Volume Control".

Happy listening (I hope)! :D

Finally, if anybody is having sound quality issues with playing hi-res music from a streaming service or any app other than FiiO Music, HibyMusic or Neutron, please pm me for discussion :tongue_smile:
 
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Dec 26, 2015 at 1:58 PM Post #7,538 of 18,020
Just loaded 5000 songs onto my SD card. This device simply can not handle that much music...Fiio Music wont even load and crashes everytime. If i try to reboot the device, it just sits there trying to reboot but cant, because it can not handle so much SD card information. As soon as i eject the SD card, thats when the device works perfectly fine again. It also takes sometimes an 30 minutes to an HOUR just to calculate all the information on the card. Not to mention the horrible sound when a bluetooth device is connected, which is one of the major reasons why i bought this. Im honestly at a point where i think im going to sell it or return it, because my 10yr old Ipod performs better...Last thing i want to do is buy an Ipod Touch because the fact you cant even change a song without using the screen is a major engineering fail. Anyone else having these issues with a such a large library of music? Can anyone recommend a DAP under $1000 if i decide to get rid of this? This is my first DAP, and im very disappointed
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Dec 26, 2015 at 2:05 PM Post #7,539 of 18,020
Just loaded 5000 songs onto my SD card. This device simply can not handle that much music...Fiio Music wont even load and crashes everytime. If i try to reboot the device, it just sits there trying to reboot but cant, because it can not handle so much SD card information. As soon as i eject the SD card, thats when the device works perfectly fine again. It also takes sometimes an 30 minutes to an HOUR just to calculate all the information on the card. Not to mention the horrible sound when a bluetooth device is connected, which is one of the major reasons why i bought this. Im honestly at a point where i think im going to sell it or return it, because my 10yr old Ipod performs better...Last thing i want to do is buy an Ipod Touch because the fact you cant even change a song without using the screen is a major engineering fail. Anyone else having these issues with a such a large library of music? Can anyone recommend a DAP under $1000 if i decide to get rid of this? This is my first DAP, and im very disappointed :(


Hello Stigmata,

Have you updated to the latest firmware?
http://www.head-fi.org/t/782490/fiio-x7-preview-world-tour-tour-impressions-rolling-in#post_11952505

Also, have you tried booting into Android mode--does the device hang like this if you boot into Android mode without launching FiiO Music?
 
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Dec 26, 2015 at 2:13 PM Post #7,540 of 18,020
Yes i tried with both 1.4 and 1.5 firmware. Both Pure Mode and Android Mode. My X7 simply cant handle this much music. I need to know if anyone else has tried with a library as large as mine, because the device is useless to me if it cant handle large libraries.
 
Dec 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM Post #7,541 of 18,020
Yes i tried with both 1.4 and 1.5 firmware. Both Pure Mode and Android Mode. My X7 simply cant handle this much music. I need to know if anyone else has tried with a library as large as mine, because the device is useless to me if it cant handle large libraries.


Does the X7 hang up in Android mode during startup or only if you enter FiiO music after startup?
 
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Dec 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM Post #7,542 of 18,020
As ive said before, the player takes almost an hour to even calculate/register all the stored files, because i now have over 5000 mp3 files on it. It was perfectly fine before when i had only maybe 500 songs. I really cant test any other music apps because its taking too long for the device too register so much info on the SD card, so those apps cant do anything until it does. Double Twist is just sitting there trying to load songs, and Fiio Music just freezes or crashes completely.
 
Dec 26, 2015 at 2:55 PM Post #7,543 of 18,020
For anyone not able to use the google play store after the latest update. Just go to the options menu and select factory reset. This does NOT delete your music but wipe clean apps and such. I was able to log in with another account after this and its working just fine.
 
I just downloaded the spotify and tidal app directly from the google play store.
 
Dec 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM Post #7,544 of 18,020
I really need help on this. I loaded a couple of albums on my sd card and my player does scan for all songs but only picks up the internal drive. My sdcard is installed and mounted properly. What am I doing incorrectly. Thanks for any help you can provide
 
Dec 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM Post #7,545 of 18,020
As ive said before, the player takes almost an hour to even calculate/register all the stored files, because i now have over 5000 mp3 files on it. It was perfectly fine before when i had only maybe 500 songs. I really cant test any other music apps because its taking too long for the device too register so much info on the SD card, so those apps cant do anything until it does. Double Twist is just sitting there trying to load songs, and Fiio Music just freezes or crashes completely.


What is the ongoing process that you see that's "calculate/registering" all the files?

Can you go to FiiO Music and set Media Library Update to Manual (not Auto) and try again?
 
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