uelong said:

  Just a quick DSD question for anyone.  I've gotten FB2K to play DSD.  I've figured how to play in pcm mode, but can the Hugo actually be fed a strait DSD signal?  When I set the SACD choice to DSD, the FB plays a short part of a file, while the time counter on the status bar races through the time.  Is there a setting i should have used?
If this is too O.T., is there somewhere I can look?

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No, apparently the Hugo can't process a DSD signal. It needs to be converted to PCM. At least I haven't figured out how to make it playable via foobar2000, since the Hugo driver doesn't accept the foo_dsd_asio component.

Hugo is DSD via DoP only.

jazz said:

 

uelong said:

  Just a quick DSD question for anyone.  I've gotten FB2K to play DSD.  I've figured how to play in pcm mode, but can the Hugo actually be fed a strait DSD signal?  When I set the SACD choice to DSD, the FB plays a short part of a file, while the time counter on the status bar races through the time.  Is there a setting i should have used?
If this is too O.T., is there somewhere I can look?

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No, apparently the Hugo can't process a DSD signal. It needs to be converted to PCM. At least I haven't figured out how to make it playable via foobar2000, since the Hugo driver doesn't accept the foo_dsd_asio component.

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Thanks.  So it's not me, then.
And at least the Hugo can receive 352.8  which is what I set the pcm for.
And thanks Rob for responding.

Hugo accepts dsd in dop using foobar dsd asio . I have checked upto dsd128 and it works without any problem. I think mojo too accepts dsd in dop only.

rkt31 said:

Hugo accepts dsd in dop using foobar dsd asio. I have checked upto dsd128 and it works without any problem. I think mojo too accepts dsd in dop only.

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Not mine! I can't get access to foo_dsd_asio for editing – other than with DAVE.  There's a workaround, though: When I attach DAVE or Mojo beforehand, foo_dsd_asio lets me select the Hugo driver, and after that the Hugo is able to play DoP.
 
But not all Hugo owners additionally own a Mojo.
 
[Edit]  I just discovered that I also need to attach the Hugo again for being able to select the DAVE/Mojo driver from foo_dsd_asio! So to get access to foo_dsd_asio and switch the DAC selection, the currently selected device has to be attached.

I really find this DoP or dupe most annoying.  Why can't manufacturers just build DSD?  Some of us LIKE it.  I hear so many professionals go on telling us little people "You don't need anything grrrreater than what our ears decide you should listen to.  As far as my ears are conserned, the higher, the better.
Rant over: just tired of the condescention I read out there.  What is wrong with just letting us play our DSD as DSD?  At least I figured out finally how to even get FB to recognise DSD.  I have to use the Hugo to listen, as I set the PCM rate to 352.

jazz said:

 

rkt31 said:

Hugo accepts dsd in dop using foobar dsd asio. I have checked upto dsd128 and it works without any problem. I think mojo too accepts dsd in dop only.

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Not mine! I can't get access to foo_dsd_asio for editing – other than with DAVE. 

There's a workaround, though: When I attach DAVE or Mojo beforehand, foo_dsd_asio lets me select the Hugo driver, and after that the Hugo is able to play DoP.
 
But not all Hugo owners additionally own a Mojo.
 
[Edit]  I just discovered that I also need to attach the Hugo again for being able to select the DAVE/Mojo driver from foo_dsd_asio! So to get access to foo_dsd_asio and switch the DAC selection, the currently selected device has to be attached.

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Oh by the way, JaZZ, do you know how to install one of those filters that come with the foo-sacd component?  I can't seem to figure it out.
I love Foobar, but it can sometimes be an intersting puzzle to get stuff to work.

uelong said:

  I really find this DoP or dupe most annoying.  Why can't manufacturers just build DSD?  Some of us LIKE it.  I hear so many professionals go on telling us little people "You don't need anything grrrreater than what our ears decide you should listen to.  As far as my ears are conserned, the higher, the better.
Rant over: just tired of the condescention I read out there.  What is wrong with just letting us play our DSD as DSD?  At least I figured out finally how to even get FB to recognise DSD.  I have to use the Hugo to listen, as I set the PCM rate to 352.

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Well, the solution to your problem is quite simple, isn't it? Buy a device that does what you like it to do. DSD is a niche within a niche within a niche. I don't need it, so there's no way I'm paying for it. It's a safe bet that the majority thinks this way, hence the market situation. See it as a democratic process. Demand dictates supply, but I'm sure you will be able to find something to your liking if you try. You will have to look harder and pay more, but the options are most certainly out there.

uelong said:

 
Oh by the way, JaZZ, do you know how to install one of those filters that come with the foo-sacd component?  I can't seem to figure it out.
I love Foobar, but it can sometimes be an intersting puzzle to get stuff to work.

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I'm not sure what you mean by those filters. The foo_out_asio.fb2k-component seems to be the only file that's been installed with itself. However, the little «ASIO Proxy 0.8.3» window that opens by double-click on foo_out_asio (under output/ASIO) is meant for configuring ASIO. In the upper field the Hugo driver has to be selected. The field below lets you choose between ASIO native and DoP. The rest can be ignored.
 
Since the Hugo doesn't accept native DSD, it's in fact a good thing that there's DoP. It packs the DSD stream into a PCM wrapper, and as far as I know that doesn't harm sound quality, it should sound the same as native DSD, just needs a bit of processing power (but no format conversion in the narrower sense).
 
The downside of DSD is that it doesn't allow any sound processing. So if you really want to benefit from the «sonic advantage» of the format there should be no sound manipulation from the start of the recording. And that's a very restricting precondition which hampers sound quality from the outset. As you may have noticed, equalizing DSD recordings isn't possible. That makes DSD pretty useless for me. I guess 99% of the DSD recordings have been processed during a PCM phase, nowadays probably in DXD, which is PCM as well, and converted to DSD afterwards. Now considering the larger file sizes for an equivalent resolution, DSD is a questionable format. The only real benefit seems to be that a lot of today's DACs convert any signal to DSD anyway.

phonomat said:

 

uelong said:

  I really find this DoP or dupe most annoying.  Why can't manufacturers just build DSD?  Some of us LIKE it.  I hear so many professionals go on telling us little people "You don't need anything grrrreater than what our ears decide you should listen to.  As far as my ears are conserned, the higher, the better.
Rant over: just tired of the condescention I read out there.  What is wrong with just letting us play our DSD as DSD?  At least I figured out finally how to even get FB to recognise DSD.  I have to use the Hugo to listen, as I set the PCM rate to 352.

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Well, the solution to your problem is quite simple, isn't it? Buy a device that does what you like it to do. DSD is a niche within a niche within a niche. I don't need it, so there's no way I'm paying for it. It's a safe bet that the majority thinks this way, hence the market situation. See it as a democratic process. Demand dictates supply, but I'm sure you will be able to find something to your liking if you try. You will have to look harder and pay more, but the options are most certainly out there.

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So true.  Just unburdening.  And I do enjoy my Hugo and it sounds pleasing at 352,8 as it is.

uelong said:

 
So true.  Just unburdening.  And I do enjoy my Hugo and it sounds pleasing at 352,8 as it is.

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Are you still struggling to play DSD using FB or have you already resolved this issue? When you play DSD, the sampling fequency light on your Hugo should be white.

alanywm said:

 

uelong said:

 
So true.  Just unburdening.  And I do enjoy my Hugo and it sounds pleasing at 352,8 as it is.

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Are you still struggling to play DSD using FB or have you already resolved this issue? When you play DSD, the sampling fequency light on your Hugo should be white.

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I'm using the PCM choice in the SACD subfolder, and set the rate to 352.8.  I guess that'll have to do for now.  Oh yeah, @JaZZ, I got the filter to work; thanks.
The thing about FB2K is, it's free.  Therefore, there's not much clearcut user instructions available for its myriad possibilities.  So for some, it can be an interesting puzzle or struggle.  If I was writing to a bunch of blind guys, I'd point out that when your tab is focused on a button, the enter key won't always work; the mouse must be brought to bare.  There are keystrokes for our use for that, but, that's why I have a lot of questions.
But, I'm having fun, and it feels good when I learn something new.

uelong said:

 
I'm using the PCM choice in the SACD subfolder, and set the rate to 352.8.  I guess that'll have to do for now.  

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As long as you are happy with this setting, great! 

alanywm said:

 

uelong said:

 
I'm using the PCM choice in the SACD subfolder, and set the rate to 352.8.  I guess that'll have to do for now.  

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As long as you are happy with this setting, great! 

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I am, but I think I'll still poke about to see if I can get the DoP thing to work.  There are some checkboxes which I haven't figured out yet.  But it's fine for now.

uelong said:

 
I am, but I think I'll still poke about to see if I can get the DoP thing to work.  There are some checkboxes which I haven't figured out yet.  But it's fine for now.

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File>Preferences>Output
 

 
File>Preferences>ASIO
 

 
Doubleclick foo_dsd_asio
 

 
File>Preferences>SACD
 

 
Result = DoP to Hugo - White light...